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platformmaster918 said:


Yes but you'll probably have to upgrade during the gen and can't get exclusives


The PC has exclusives. All platforms do! Whether the exclusives on one platform is your cup-of-tea is another matter entirely and really up to personal taste and should/would direct your purchasing decision.

As for upgrading, if you build the PC in mind with decent components from the beginning you really only need to do GPU upgrades, often I see people still running 6-7 year old systems (Albeit overclocked, the Q6600 can still handle games fine today!) and simply just drop $100-$150 every 2-3 years, which might I add is the cost of multiplayer you pay for on the consoles anyway.
Thus, you still save money in the long run with the PC.



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Not much at launch. Both systems are way stronger than devs can handle and they are running cross gen games. Should be stuff only tech experts notice.

At the end of the gen though, it will be huge. As devs squeeze every ounce of power out of both systems, PS4 games could look much better than the xbox versions. Think og xbox verse ps2, but flipped and a bigger difference.

PS4 exclusives will be what really shine though.



NYCrysis said:
the-pi-guy said:
Tabular said:
Imaginedvl said:
NYCrysis said:

ps4 can be native 1080 while one might be sub full hd. One can maintain a better framerate than the other. Pretty much all I can think of in terms of multiplat games due to them needing to be on Parity.

Forza says hi... I think you are just making thing out of nowhere...

You know that the Xbox 360 can do native 1080p at 60sec without any problem right?... While displaying a single black box :)

Same for the PS4/Xbox One, there is no : "PS4 can do 1080p native, while Xbox One can do sub-HD...., both can do native 1080p and it will depend on game developpers now...

Uh... your dead wrong. He's talking about a multiplatform game. And yes more power means one version will be reduced resolution and or framerate. Citing an exclusive game built from the ground up for one platform means nothing. Digital Foundry has done tests with PC's to see what a system with 50% less compute units would need to do to keep up with a more powerful machine and running at 900p instead of 1080p is what they found was needed. NYCrysis was dead on.

Digital Foundry's test was not well designed.  

There are a lot of things that a gpu is used for.  They could easily have both versions have the same frame rate and same resolution and increase draw distances on PS4.  There are a lot of options to mess around with on PC for a reason, they all affect performance.  

DF forgot ONE MAJOR thing about the gpu's and it's that the ps4 has DOUBLE the rops of the xbone and in df's test both gpu's had the same # of rops.

That's correct. DF did not consider bandwidth or ROP's which will be a factor in PS4's favor, but even the results they came up with are pretty huge. You've got to take their comparison as a crude experiment - testing a certain specific senario. Droping resolution a tad might be the best senario for Xbox One as lowering LOD's or framerate would be more noticable. Still - the difference between 1080p and 900p will be enough for most to choose PS4 versions. 

 



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Only time will tell how much the PS4's power advantage will show.  I believe that both the Xbox One and PS4 will be pretty similiar especially at launch.  Although as developers really try to push the graphical boundaries the PS4 versions should look and or peform better.



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the-pi-guy said:
Tabular said:
NYCrysis said:
DF forgot ONE MAJOR thing about the gpu's and it's that the ps4 has DOUBLE the rops of the xbone and in df's test both gpu's had the same # of rops.

 

That's correct. DF did not consider bandwidth or ROP's which will be a factor in PS4's favor, but even the results they came up with are pretty huge. You've got to take their comparison as a crude experiment - testing a certain specific senario. Droping resolution a tad might be the best senario for Xbox One as lowering LOD's or framerate would be more noticable. Still - the difference between 1080p and 900p will be enough for most to choose PS4 versions.

 


While it is possible, I doubt we'll see any 900p version games, most likely they'll reduce framerate to keep it at 1080p or reduce resolution to 720p.  Or perhaps worse case? scenario, they'll reduce draw distance and other effects.  As far as I'm aware, they don't make any 900p televisions, only monitors.  

You don't need a 900p monitor for a game to render 900p - you just need to upscale to 1080p. Remember all those PS3 and Xbox 360 games that were rendered sub 720p? That's often the choice developers make.



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the-pi-guy said:
Tabular said:
the-pi-guy said:
Tabular said:
NYCrysis said:
DF forgot ONE MAJOR thing about the gpu's and it's that the ps4 has DOUBLE the rops of the xbone and in df's test both gpu's had the same # of rops.

 

That's correct. DF did not consider bandwidth or ROP's which will be a factor in PS4's favor, but even the results they came up with are pretty huge. You've got to take their comparison as a crude experiment - testing a certain specific senario. Droping resolution a tad might be the best senario for Xbox One as lowering LOD's or framerate would be more noticable. Still - the difference between 1080p and 900p will be enough for most to choose PS4 versions.

 


While it is possible, I doubt we'll see any 900p version games, most likely they'll reduce framerate to keep it at 1080p or reduce resolution to 720p.  Or perhaps worse case? scenario, they'll reduce draw distance and other effects.  As far as I'm aware, they don't make any 900p televisions, only monitors.  

You don't need a 900p monitor for a game to render 900p - you just need to upscale to 1080p. Remember all those PS3 and Xbox 360 games that were rendered sub 720p? That's often the choice developers make.

That's why I said "I doubt" rather than "we won't".  The Order is actually 1920 * 800.  So I don't know, but I just feel 900p is a weird resolution.  If that makes no sense at all?  I'm just not sure if resolution would be the first thing to change for the new gen.  Perhaps 900p@60fps makes sense...

Would you rather have a 1080p@60fps PS4 game downscale to 900p@60fps or 1080p@45fps. I expect dropping resolution is going to be the best way to port down to Xbox One that's why DF gave that as the best solution.



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Well, the question I ask myself is: Why should I pay more for a console with less power?

We'll have to see about the differences, but I think they should be quite noticable, because both consoles use the exact same architecture. That way developers can profit from the PS4 Power without the need to rewrite the whole code. There's no cell or anything like that.

In the end, Sony just made some pretty good hardware at a reasonable price. I don't see why you wanna downplay that simple fact. It's not like the Xbox is shitty because of that. But hardware-wise, the PS4 is better. It's a simple fact and has nothing to do with personal opinion. That comes into play when it's about the games. But the console itself? It's considerably faster on paper, more advanced (dat GDDR5!), smaller, no power brick... The only reason not to say "well done, Sony" is if you want to make the XBox look better. The XBox is also a good console, but it's just not as good as the PS4 from a hardware perspective. You gotta know yourself if that is important to you or not. To me, it is. But that's just me.



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People try to undestate the difference here but i will make it pretty clear.

See the graphics on God of War ascencion, Uncharted 3 and The last of us? Nothing on the 360 looks that good.

That is what you can expect. More RAM mean more stuff can be done at the same time. On ports you will see shorter loading times and faster draw-in aswell as a more stable frame-rate.

Depends on what each person chooses to value, but for me its a given that the better performance will result in better looking games and better performing games. That is significant for me. But it isnt the reason why not to buy an Xbox1. That is microsoft.