Let's clarify the whole hardware power thing:

* More power can work against a console, IF it makes the console far more expensive to put out AND it makes coding for it to be difficult.  For the Jaguar, the core tech was very hard to code for, so everyone coded for the 68000 in it, which didn't help.  In the case of the PS3, you had that PLUS it also made it more expensive.  To argue that more power is a bad thing is absurd, PARTICULARLY when it is easy to code for, and puts a system above and beyond a competitor.

* And one can say the games make the difference, but they either come internal, or heavily external (third-party).  As I stated before, the Wii U is unlike the ONE and the PS4, so that means that it MUST sell well to get third-party support, and drive people to get it.  It needs to have some compelling reason.  Even if you slash prices, it still needs reasons.  As of now, what is that?  More Mario will get it to break into the threshold where it will turn the corner?  Is this generation, which is now into open world and the likes of Elder Scrolls, suddenly going to want to get the next Zelda game?  Or is it Smash Bros. which is what everyone wants?  Or does Ninendo have some sort of new IP that will turn the tables?

In regards to Zelda, here are the sales numbers:

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/45669/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/

That is a solid number over 3.5 million.

But here is Skyrim:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=skyrim

On BOTH the PS3 and 360 it outsold Nintendo's closes offerings, and cultural impact side, Skyrim is a MUCH stronger IP now than Zelda is.  Zelda is solid, but doesn't grab the mind of gamers like Elder Scrolls does.  Yes, that is stronger sales on platforms that have sold less than the Wii did.

The question is: Where is the turnaround supposed to come from?

Excellent.  Apps are filling the role that a glut of bad 2600 carts did to the videogame industry, to cause the crash to happen.  

Just posting it doesn't show that Nintendo can beat them.  So far, they aren't showing it.

I. Want. To. Belieeeeeeve!

You want links richardcherrypickhutnic?

Here's one for you.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/

Look at the top 20. What do you see?

I've said this before and i'm gonna say it again. The videogame business is a VOLATILE business. No one knows when or where the next big thing will come from. Most likely Nintendo have some nice aces up their sleeves considering their philosophy of craftmanship, or they stumble upon the next big thing. Or they may not, and Sony or Microsoft does it. Nintendo can therefore lose this generation.

jon lucas come up with nice words of wisdom suggesting Nintendo is the most likely candidate to come up with the next big thing, and combine it with their traditional strong selling franchises. Thus they can create a powerhouse combo of both WiiU and 3DS.

I hear your concern & I was once doubtful about Nintendo's motives this gen too. Like I said at the start of the thread.
But let me use an anecdotal example of how I know Wii U will surge.

I have this co-worker at my job. Late 20s big time gamer. Console of choice is currently the XBox 360.
Years ago he used to go around everywhere with his PSP. Had it modded so he can play games from all systems on it.
A couple of years ago he got sucked into his smartphone & now carries THAT everywhere he goes. He plays games from all systems on it too.
But being a person who loved his PSP, he became EXCITED for the PS Vita when it came out.
Mentioned he entered a Taco Bell contest to get a free one & everything.

There was some mishap with the contest & his Vita was tied up in red tape.
Some weeks later I ask him about what happened with that & he surprisingly told me he wasn't really interested in Vita anymore.
That shocked me. This guy was Gung Ho about Vita not too long ago & now is so Meh about the whole thing you would never know he cared.
He goes back to his go-to smartphone.
That was last year in 2012.

I buy my 3DS in the middle of June this year.
I'm quite an oddity these days because I don't have a cell phone & don't really want one (not much of a phone person really).
I use my DSi like most people use their phones. I listen to music on it, take pictures on it, use my Nintendo Countdown Calendar to remember important dates, use my Animal Crossing Clock as an alarm to get up for work, measure my steps on my Nintendo pedometer on Personal Trainer: Walking, browse the internet on it sometimes if I'm not at my desktop, along with playing a host of games on it with other apps.
Now I'm pairing my 3DS up with my DSi, syncing the songs on the DSi/3DS Sound programs for laughs.

On my lunch break my co-worker comes in while I'm messing around with my 3DS & DSi.
I decide to show him a cool Nintendo Video which was on there at the time called "Little Boat 3D".
The 3D effects on that were amazing! And after he saw this, suddenly he became intrigued by the 3DS.
He was doubtful before but with Monster Hunter calling him, he was contemplating getting a 3DS just to play it.

Once so anticipating of Vita, now so enthused of the 3DS & all because of a little 3D boat...and Monster Hunter.

He's currently excited about the XBox One but Monster Hunter will probably bring him over to Wii U side too.

The audience is there, DialgaMarine, & the fun part is most of them don't even know it.
John Lucas

Wow Dude, you're extremely optimistic! :D

You get EXTRA POINTS in my book for using The People's Champ, The Rock!

Check my current profile pic.
It has a classic shot the Nation of Domination in it with (from left to right) "The Rock" Rocky Maivia, Faarooq, D'Lo Brown, & Kama Mustafa AKA The Godfather (Mark Henry hadn't joined yet) all standing together in Unity.

The Nation is one of my favorite wrestling groups & The Rock is one of my favorite wrestlers (please come back & destroy this abomination called John Cena, Rocky!).
So thank you for that!

John Lucas

P.S.: Wii Are The Nation...of Domination!

This feels just like my first Rol thread. Lots of people giving congrats for such a great op and the rest calling him insane.

As to the op, I have no idea who you are, but I think you're serious. Oh my gawd! You are insane.

I came in here not knowing what was going on at first. After about 2 minutes I knew I was going through a complete re-install of everything I had been told to believe over the past 6 months.

I bought my Wii U day 1. It stays on from sun up to sundown. There's never been a single moment when I felt there was nothing to do on my Wii U. My other systems just collect dust because there is nothing I'd rather do in my house than surf, stream, and play on my Gamepad.

I love vgchartz but there's some ppl here that would have you believe some backward twisted pessimistic ideas. It's the little ins n' outs that get jumbled, the lines that get blurred. It's only natural to let some of that venom under your skin when it's hissed at you day in day out. Deep down, I've always known the inevitable smash success of Wii U to be a simple matter of when, not if. But the OP gave me a mega-dose of anti-venom. All the consistent repetitive pr-spin agendas I've been reading the last half a year just rolled off my back like sweat in vegas heat.



I see the predictable posting "op is insane". The only insane here underestimate the N!!

That was.......amazing!!!