Is that the conclusion you take from his post? Irony? Hasn't the Wii casual party games as a significant part of its catalogue? Is that irnory? Hasn't the Wii a poor online infrastructure? Would that be irony too? Haven't Nintendo profits during this 7th gen been higher than any others, even considering the entire videogaming history? Aren't WiiU's core capabilities comparable to 7th gen rather than 8th gen? Hasn't the WiiU outdated online support? I guess this is all irony. Maybe WiiU's gamepad is one of the best, if all of that was irony. Is he being ironic when saying Nintendo opts to reserve its profits and doesn't even try to take some risk financially for the betterment of console gaming?

"So much irony" that the only thing you point out is the shovelware, which is also present in PS1 and PS2. But is it about the same? I mean, a console maker can't do much about 3rd parties doing shovelware and thus shouldn't be blamed for that. But in the specific case of Wii, Nintendo has inspired them with low-budget games that sold extremely well. Wii Sports is an example, there were a lot of "me too"s that sold some hundreds of thousands or even millions. Wii Fit is another example, there were a lot of fitness games that sold some millions. All of this was shovelware. Also, 3rd parties realized that launching top quality games on the Wii was a hell of a risk whereas shovelware had a lot of potential, so they started to innovate in that field (beyond Nintendo's creations). I'm sure you can't find on PS1/PS2 shovelware that sold 39M. On Wii you can, look at Just Dance.

I'm sure none of this is new to you. You must know very well the difference between PS2 and Wii regarding shovelware.

Regarding the topics you have ignored, you denial won't change the fact that they clearly show what does Nintendo with the gamer's money in comparison to Sony.

Great stuff Mummelmann, solid from top to bottom for the most part. There are things I don't agree with in both yours and John Lucas' posts, but as far as general outlook on the videogame market I'm probably not very far from how you see things. The main differences probably revolve around the marketability of the Wii U and the status of the 'less enthusiastic' gamers to not use one of the non-words of the discussion.

One thing I thought I could help clear up though. The ethics discussion concerning advertising targeted at children is probably not going to go anywhere. There's a cultural gap there that is obvious in how you both approach the subject. In Norway advertising targeted at children is illegal, in the US it is a non topic and not even slightly controversial. From the US vantage, discussing the ethics of advertising aimed at kids makes about as much sense as discussing the ethics of what kind of bread you prefer.

For example, both Microsoft and Sony also target kids heavily in the US with their ads, if not necessarily their videogame ads.

Yeah I've seen tons of LBP ads around the block

Ah, another kool aid drinker. The only difference between the different shovelware on ps2 and Wii was one had a company name on the box you support and another didn't. I ignored most of the other post and most of yours because you run off on tangents of irrelevancy. 

The issue with Nintendo's advertising isn't that it's unethical, it's that reinforces the image that the WiiU is a "kiddie console". Nintendo's had this problem ever since they designed the Gamecube to look like a purple lunchbox.

For now.

They should switch their advertising right when Mario Kart comes out

If they're smart you'll be right. The Wii advertising was genius, they were targeting whole families, not just their kids. If Nintendo hasn't learned anything than the Mario Kart commercials will just be a bunch of kids playing Mario Kart. 

You made 3 sentences and I couldn't understand a single one...Can you please elaborate what you're trying to say?

The marketing machine of Nintendo revs up for Wii Fit U http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/nintendo-employs-the-services-of-celebrity-trainer-kathy-kaehler-to-promote-wii-fit-u/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Dat 3m in Q1 revving up!!!