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Osc89 said:
Gnac said:
Osc89 said:

Iwata brought us the Wii U. Excuse me for not wanting to take his business advice as the final word.

Iwata runs Nintendo, and you would run them into the ground, given a chance. Excuse me for not taking your business advice seriously.


If everyone else can do it without going down, why would Nintendo?

oh for crying out loud. which company that went from hardware-maker to third party is okay today?



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RolStoppable said:
NightDragon83 said:

I'm pretty sure SEGA was saying the same things back in 2000 that Nintendo is now... we're not leaving the hardware market, we plan to fully support the Dreamcast, remain calm, all is well etc.

Nintendo was saying the same things back in 2000 as well, because it simply is a question they get repeatedly asked. Nintendo wasn't close to going third party back then, but they were asked the question all the same. Nintendo isn't close to going third party now either, so it really only speaks volumes about the people who keep asking this question.

That's because Nintendo was in a pickle back then, just as they were at the end of the GC's life, and just how (incredibly) they find themselves now after riding the huge wave of success that was the Wii only to crash headfirst onto the beach with the botched Wii U launch.

Back in 2000 the only thing keeping Nintendo afloat was Pokemon, as was the DS back in 2006.  So everytime Nintendo has had trouble on the home console side of things, people understandably want to know what they're going to do about it.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Screamapillar said:
Nintendo can't do any worse than the GameCube, right? That system barely scraped out of the generation with 22 million consoles lifetime. It served only the very hardcore of the Nintendo loyalists, with sequels to N64 games.

Surely GameCube was the low point, and I very much doubt that Wii U will come close to doing that poorly in the market when we look back at Wii U's performance in 2017.


Fun fact:

Nintendo's GC (worst selling Nintendo home-console) and Nintendo's GBA (worst selling Nintendo handheld to be deemes as "successful" together made more money than Sony's PS2(best selling home console of all time) in the GC-PS2 era.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo is safe. even if the WiiU will never take off (I'm sure it will), they can rely on their huge amount of money in the bank, and the 3DS to keep them afloat for the gen.



RolStoppable said:
JGarret said:

Why do you think Nintendo hates their most successful home console ever?...After the Wii´s huge success, it seems they didn´t learn anything.

Probably because poor Nintendo got badgered by the industry and was told that the Wii success doesn't count, because they don't have real third party support. But Nintendo would like to be accepted by the industry.

Probably also because Nintendo's senior developers were shown that they were wrong for over a decade with the games they desired to make not gaining additional traction despite a much higher installed base than previously.

So two birds with one stone: Proper third party support sells consoles and if the console sells, then Nintendo's developers can make the games they want to make, because they won't be obligated to make games that sell consoles aside from maybe a few. From that point of view it makes sense to arrive at the Wii U and ditch the Wii as fast as possible.

So it´s about making games for themselves?...are they living in La-La land, burying their heads in the sand and pretending that developing games isn´t a business?



JGarret said:
RolStoppable said:
JGarret said:

Why do you think Nintendo hates their most successful home console ever?...After the Wii´s huge success, it seems they didn´t learn anything.

Probably because poor Nintendo got badgered by the industry and was told that the Wii success doesn't count, because they don't have real third party support. But Nintendo would like to be accepted by the industry.

Probably also because Nintendo's senior developers were shown that they were wrong for over a decade with the games they desired to make not gaining additional traction despite a much higher installed base than previously.

So two birds with one stone: Proper third party support sells consoles and if the console sells, then Nintendo's developers can make the games they want to make, because they won't be obligated to make games that sell consoles aside from maybe a few. From that point of view it makes sense to arrive at the Wii U and ditch the Wii as fast as possible.

So it´s about making games for themselves?...are they living in La-La land, burying their heads in the sand and pretending that developing games isn´t a business?

lol, you're talking about business when Nintendo's the one who makes the most money each gen XD



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NoirSon said:
BossPuma said:
I think it makes sense, just look at Sega and Atari. but Nintendo needs get it together with the Wii U


Yeah, which is why I always have lower opinions of people who bring up the idea of Nintendo going multiplatform. IT HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ANY MAJOR CONSOLE HARDWARE MANUFACTURER IN THE PAST, why on Earth would anyone with knowledge of the industry think it would 'save' or help Nintendo?

People thinking the Nintendo IPs would still sell gangbusters if spread out on multiple platforms or Nintendo would be able to keep the quality while working on someone else's hardware really just show case how uninformed they are when it comes to Nintendo's success or how the current industry works. Even if the Wii U is doomed, Nintendo still has enough push from the 3DS and cash from their most recent successes (Wii and DS) that they could still release new hardware by 2015-16 that (Assuming like always tech costs decrease for certain chipsets and technology) is closer if not a match for PS4 and Xbox One.

Yes, but there's a deeper reason why it hasn't worked up until now. See, when the Dreamcast went down, Sega's franchises weren't in strong demand. Their IPs, as good as they were, we becoming less and less attractive to consumers. By the time they left the hardware business, only Sonic remained popular and even he was diving.

This isn't the case with Nintendo. If Nintendo released Mario Kart on the PS4? It would be a huge system seller. If Nintendo released NES games on IOS? Gang busters. And that's because unlike Sega, their IPs are in huge demand.

The reason the Wii-U is failing so far is because no one is willing to pay the $349.99 entry fee to play those games.



RolStoppable said:
Osc89 said:

It makes more sense to me, and is being done by Sony, MS, Valve and Google with Android. Only Apple don't, but they make enough devices and have a strong following. The only way Iwata is right is if Nintendo can be like Apple, and this is very optimistic.

Nintendo can be like Apple (because they already were like them), so no need for optimism. Selling everything they sell at a profit shouldn't be a challenge for Nintendo with their future dedicated gaming systems. The sole reason why the Wii U is so bad is that Nintendo adopted Sony's and Microsoft's model.

Based on the above, why would you think that being even more like Sony and Microsoft would be a good decision for Nintendo when history proves that Nintendo is the company that knows best how to make money with video games? Nintendo should look at their own history, because before the 3DS and Wii U they didn't post losses, even during their worst times.

I think if they position themselves against Sony and MS then people are going to be expecting them to have parity on things like this. I can't really say what would have happened if they had chosen a different strategy, but the Wii U exists and they have to do something with it.



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Mr Khan said:
Osc89 said:
Gnac said:
Iwata runs Nintendo, and you would run them into the ground, given a chance. Excuse me for not taking your business advice seriously.

 


If everyone else can do it without going down, why would Nintendo?

Because Nintendo is the last of the Old Ones. Their business strategy is all about selling software to sell hardware, rather than selling hardware to sell software. Nintendo's goal is more contained. None of the others give a damn about what device you buy, so long as you enter their environment somewhere.


Like Rol said they didn't do this with the Wii U. If they can go back to the old ways next gen that would be interesting to see, but they need to be on par with Sony and MS this gen as that is the market they have chosen.



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MohammadBadir said:
Osc89 said:
Gnac said:
Iwata runs Nintendo, and you would run them into the ground, given a chance. Excuse me for not taking your business advice seriously.

 


If everyone else can do it without going down, why would Nintendo?

oh for crying out loud. which company that went from hardware-maker to third party is okay today?


You are going to have to read through the thread. I'm not saying they should go third party.



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MohammadBadir said:
Screamapillar said:
Nintendo can't do any worse than the GameCube, right? That system barely scraped out of the generation with 22 million consoles lifetime. It served only the very hardcore of the Nintendo loyalists, with sequels to N64 games.

Surely GameCube was the low point, and I very much doubt that Wii U will come close to doing that poorly in the market when we look back at Wii U's performance in 2017.


Fun fact:

Nintendo's GC (worst selling Nintendo home-console) and Nintendo's GBA (worst selling Nintendo handheld to be deemes as "successful" together made more money than Sony's PS2(best selling home console of all time) in the GC-PS2 era.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo is safe. even if the WiiU will never take off (I'm sure it will), they can rely on their huge amount of money in the bank, and the 3DS to keep them afloat for the gen.


O_o ....really....I never knew that :L



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