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sethnintendo said:
Osc89 said:
Gnac said:
Nintendo already has people locked into their particular ecosystem, and their own software is the key.

Keep banging that drum, Osc. Maybe one day you'll learn the rhythm.


Nintendo have locked people in? I guess that's why we are seeing Wii numbers for the Wii U.

Seriously though, why would you choose the Wii U version of a game if you can play the PS4 & X1 versions on multiple devices?

At least I was able to transfer all my Wii shop games from my Wii to Wii U day one with no extra charge.  Also, people don't buy Nintendo systems for third party games.  People buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games.


Nintendo would make more money if they could also sell plenty of third party games. Wouldn't the Wii U be in a better position if all the third party games went there as well? Why give publishers more reasons not to go there? Also, people are already annoyed with the Wii U getting bad versions of games. This would be yet another mark against the Nintendo version of a game.



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Osc89 said:
sethnintendo said:
Osc89 said:
Gnac said:
Nintendo already has people locked into their particular ecosystem, and their own software is the key.

Keep banging that drum, Osc. Maybe one day you'll learn the rhythm.


Nintendo have locked people in? I guess that's why we are seeing Wii numbers for the Wii U.

Seriously though, why would you choose the Wii U version of a game if you can play the PS4 & X1 versions on multiple devices?

At least I was able to transfer all my Wii shop games from my Wii to Wii U day one with no extra charge.  Also, people don't buy Nintendo systems for third party games.  People buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games.


Nintendo would make more money if they could also sell plenty of third party games. Wouldn't the Wii U be in a better position if all the third party games went there as well? Why give publishers more reasons not to go there? Also, people are already annoyed with the Wii U getting bad versions of games. This would be yet another mark against the Nintendo version of a game.

The appeal of cross-platform gaming is still wholly untested, however. Why should Nintendo cannibalize their hardware environment just to go for something totally unproven (which they've already done anyway, plunking their handheld on the 3D craze and their console on the tablet craze). Especially when we all know that nothing Nintendo does will get them actual third party support, short of hostile takeovers of Sony and Microsoft.



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RolStoppable said:
Gnac said:
PigPen said:
There you have it, that should kill all the crazy talk.

Nahh, this will rumble on and on until they do it.

Here's an article I wrote for a spoof gaming website that never happened, intended to parody the mentality of these crazy talkers:

That's a pretty awesome piece, perfectly fitting into the category of "It's funny, because it's true."

Cheers! Maybe one day I can get away with posting my articles for the "PS4 In-House Developer Fluff Piece" and "Microsoft's Cloud Strategy".

...Or even better, make this spoof website happen, and troll the Empire back.



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Gnac said:
Osc89 said:
Gnac said:

Nintendo already has people locked into their particular ecosystem, and their own software is the key.

Keep banging that drum, Osc. Maybe one day you'll learn the rhythm.

Nintendo have locked people in? I guess that's why we are seeing Wii numbers for the Wii U.

Seriously though, why would you choose the Wii U version of a game if you can play the PS4 & X1 versions on multiple devices?

You totally missed the point there (see underlined, above). People who want Nintendo games know where to get them, and that is the ecosystem maintained BY Nintendo. If it was such a great idea for the company to abandon that, it would have happened already.

The president of the company has even explained that much.


Expanding an ecosystem isn't abandoning it. There is nothing to stop them requiring a purchase of one of their consoles to allow you to play on other devices. They would just be adding value to people who buy into the ecosystem, something they should all be trying to do.

And the reason they haven't done it might just be because it requires a shift to digital formats. Or they are slower with these things like with their online system.



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Osc89 said:

Expanding an ecosystem isn't abandoning it. There is nothing to stop them requiring a purchase of one of their consoles to allow you to play on other devices. They would just be adding value to people who buy into the ecosystem, something they should all be trying to do.

And the reason they haven't done it might just be because it requires a shift to digital formats. Or they are slower with these things like with their online system.

We're retreading familiar paths now. I know you love this idea so much that you can't see how it would damage the company in the long term, IN SPITE of the fact that you have posted in threads discussing statements where the Boss Man explains why.

Iwata is very polite, especially when he would like you to understand something.

You have shown that you have no intention of understanding why this idea is terrible, and Iwata has officially expressed no intention of implementing it.



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MDMAlliance said:
Osc89 said:
MDMAlliance said:
Why buy a console at all by that logic.


I don't understand what you are saying. You buy a console to play games in your living room. Do you not see the added value in also being able to play these games wherever you want? Valve do with Steam and Portal 2 on PS3, Sony do with Cross-Buy and Gaikai, MS do from their leaked document. Why doesn't anyone here?

Also, they only sell the consoles to sell the games. That's why they are sold at a loss. For Valve, selling all the games and taking a cut without having to make a loss on hardware is a pretty comfortable position.

I bolded the statement so you could understand.

Many multiplat games are going to be for PC, so if you are saying "why buy a Wii U version," That's as good as saying "why buy a PS4/XB1 version" when there's PC.  Because it implies the Wii U version will be the same or worse than the PS4/XB1 versions.  When there's going to be a multiplat game for all three next-gen consoles, you can bet the Wii U version will be different.  If it isn't, then the Wii U wouldn't be fulfilling its job as a different console.  

Also, if you want to say "play games in your living room" then you don't understand that you could also play a PC in your living room.  The way you're making this argument is incomplete and makes little sense.  I also don't even see what your point is on your last paragraph, it has nothing to do with what I was saying.


Why are people complaining about the incomplete versions of Wii U games then? It is also used as a reason for their poor sales. People obviously do care about the quality of each individual version, so the Wii U version is competing with the PS4/X1 version and the PC version.

But they are mainly competing with other console version. A big selling point of consoles is ease of use, and if you want to say "you could also play a PC in your living room" then you don't understand that.

My last paragraph was asking you to look at your question from Nintendo's point of view. They should be thinking "why sell a console at all" and realising it is an opportunity to expand their ecosystem rather than shrink it by losing third parties.



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Mr Khan said:
Osc89 said:
sethnintendo said:
At least I was able to transfer all my Wii shop games from my Wii to Wii U day one with no extra charge.  Also, people don't buy Nintendo systems for third party games.  People buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games.

 


Nintendo would make more money if they could also sell plenty of third party games. Wouldn't the Wii U be in a better position if all the third party games went there as well? Why give publishers more reasons not to go there? Also, people are already annoyed with the Wii U getting bad versions of games. This would be yet another mark against the Nintendo version of a game.

The appeal of cross-platform gaming is still wholly untested, however. Why should Nintendo cannibalize their hardware environment just to go for something totally unproven (which they've already done anyway, plunking their handheld on the 3D craze and their console on the tablet craze). Especially when we all know that nothing Nintendo does will get them actual third party support, short of hostile takeovers of Sony and Microsoft.


Steam is an example where it is thoroughly tested, and Sony and MS are both investing in this. They also wouldn't have to cannibalize if they require the games to be bought on the Wii U or 3DS. This would just be them adding value to their versions of games for their customers.



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Gnac said:
Osc89 said:

Expanding an ecosystem isn't abandoning it. There is nothing to stop them requiring a purchase of one of their consoles to allow you to play on other devices. They would just be adding value to people who buy into the ecosystem, something they should all be trying to do.

And the reason they haven't done it might just be because it requires a shift to digital formats. Or they are slower with these things like with their online system.

We're retreading familiar paths now. I know you love this idea so much that you can't see how it would damage the company in the long term, IN SPITE of the fact that you have posted in threads discussing statements where the Boss Man explains why.

Iwata is very polite, especially when he would like you to understand something.

You have shown that you have no intention of understanding why this idea is terrible, and Iwata has officially expressed no intention of implementing it.


Iwata brought us the Wii U. Excuse me for not wanting to take his business advice as the final word.



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Osc89 said:

Iwata brought us the Wii U. Excuse me for not wanting to take his business advice as the final word.

Iwata runs Nintendo, and you would run them into the ground, given a chance. Excuse me for not taking your business advice seriously.



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