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Jay520 on 01 August 2013
Kyuu said:
Jay520 said:

If people believe in an entity strong enough, such as "God", then it's effects will exist even if the entity itself doesn't exist.

People who enjoy "good Nintendo games" demonstrate another example of this phenomenon.


What if I happened to believe in a perfect god (from the "beyond" perspective and not our evolved ape-brains), judgement day, and throw anything else into questioning?

 

Why do you think your creator must automatically be evil and his influence must always be negative?

I do believe that everybody will get what they deserve in the end, I do implore people to remain benevolent and patient and strive to get closer to the truth regardless what it was.

 

Do you think such approach as mine will beget chaos and destruction?



why did you quote me?

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CDiablo on 01 August 2013

God doesnt exist but assholes use the idea of god to manipulate and control other peoples lives, which can result in evil. Not the greatest source of evil but a great tool used by evil people.



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o_O.Q on 01 August 2013
DaRev said:
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:
I’m not entirely sure what we’re discussing here, but if it is the question: where does evil come from?, then the answer has to be the Devil – evil comes from the devil. I say this because the Devil is the first one to break God’s rules, which made him, the Devil, evil. So, “evil”, I would say is nothing more than breaking God’s rules.

Additionally, saying God is evil, is like saying any other rule maker is evil. Is the government or the courts evil, simply because they make rules and people don’t follow? The evil one is the one that breaks the rules, not the one that makes them.

Now, if you don’t believe in God, then I guess that makes Man the rule maker, and if it is that Man breaking his own rules then, only Man can be evil – no ?.

that is a poor comparison between law makers and god with regards to this

law makers do not give people the capacity to do evil but god does

again if we say everything came from god then evil also came from it

No, because you can make the rules and the OFFENSE or CRIME or EVIL ACT, e.g. murder, or possession of a banned substance, sex with monkeys whatever, but making up the offence doesn’t make you the offender.  So even if God created the offence called EVIL, that doesn’t mean he is evil. Again, it is the one that breaks the rules is evil – no?.

It’s like you’re saying the guy that thought up that murder should be a crime, that person is evil, because he thought it up?

so conceptualising evil doesn't make you evil?

lol are you being serious? 

if i sit around all day daydreaming about killing people i'm not evil just because i haven't actually done so?



DaRev on 01 August 2013
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:
I’m not entirely sure what we’re discussing here, but if it is the question: where does evil come from?, then the answer has to be the Devil – evil comes from the devil. I say this because the Devil is the first one to break God’s rules, which made him, the Devil, evil. So, “evil”, I would say is nothing more than breaking God’s rules.

Additionally, saying God is evil, is like saying any other rule maker is evil. Is the government or the courts evil, simply because they make rules and people don’t follow? The evil one is the one that breaks the rules, not the one that makes them.

Now, if you don’t believe in God, then I guess that makes Man the rule maker, and if it is that Man breaking his own rules then, only Man can be evil – no ?.

that is a poor comparison between law makers and god with regards to this

law makers do not give people the capacity to do evil but god does

again if we say everything came from god then evil also came from it

No, because you can make the rules and the OFFENSE or CRIME or EVIL ACT, e.g. murder, or possession of a banned substance, sex with monkeys whatever, but making up the offence doesn’t make you the offender.  So even if God created the offence called EVIL, that doesn’t mean he is evil. Again, it is the one that breaks the rules is evil – no?.

It’s like you’re saying the guy that thought up that murder should be a crime, that person is evil, because he thought it up?

so conceptualising evil doesn't make you evil?

lol are you being serious? 

if i sit around all day daydreaming about killing people i'm not evil just because i haven't actually done so?

1) Nope, for example, the creators of this site conceptualised people flaming, so they made a rule against it. Does that make them evil, in any sense? Ok, I'm thinking about flaming right now, I'm thinking about all manner of shit I'm thinking to tell you about you and your intelligence. Does that mean I'm going to get banned for flaming simply because I'm thinking about it?

2) Yes, are you?

3) No, for example, go tell the next police officer you see that you're thinking about commiting a crime, in fact be specific, tell him you're thinking about robbing a bank - and see if they arrests you.



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o_O.Q on 01 August 2013
DaRev said:

o_O.Q said:

so conceptualising evil doesn't make you evil?

lol are you being serious? 

if i sit around all day daydreaming about killing people i'm not evil just because i haven't actually done so?

1) Nope, for example, the creators of this site conceptualised people flaming, so they made a rule against it. Does that make them evil, in any sense? Ok, I'm thinking about flaming right now, I'm thinking about all manner of shit I'm thinking to tell you about you and your intelligence. Does that mean I'm going to get banned for flaming simply because I'm thinking about it?

2) Yes, are you?

3) No, for example, go tell the next police officer you see that you're thinking about commiting a crime, in fact be specific, tell him you're thinking about robbing a bank - and see if they arrests you.

lol the problem i'm having with that analogy is that you're claiming that something is only evil if it has been punished or can be punished... which makes no sense... evil is not defined by punishment

 

btw... intelligence dictates that if we say all things spawned from something then that means ALL things not just a portion... and thinking about flaming because someone has views that differ from yours isn't very intelligent at all imo



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miz1q2w3e on 01 August 2013
Sal.Paradise said:
richardhutnik said:

Anyone holding both these views that God doesn't exists, AND is a source of evil, care explain this?

I suppose they mean people doing evil things in the name of God? Although in more prominent cases these deeds have political motivation, and the religious angle is just an excuse. 

^^This post.

The end.



tiffac on 01 August 2013

Religion is not evil, people are. Same with guns, alcohol and drugs. Its just so easy to put the blame on something.



richardhutnik on 01 August 2013
spurgeonryan said:
In my experience, arguing religion with a bunch of kids, gamers, and other people who know everything because of the internet always ends bad.

something bad happened to them or their family members once and god was blamed.

Why do you keep posting theological threads on here?  Just curious, if you feel that way.



DaRev on 01 August 2013
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:

o_O.Q said:

so conceptualising evil doesn't make you evil?

lol are you being serious? 

if i sit around all day daydreaming about killing people i'm not evil just because i haven't actually done so?

1) Nope, for example, the creators of this site conceptualised people flaming, so they made a rule against it. Does that make them evil, in any sense? Ok, I'm thinking about flaming right now, I'm thinking about all manner of shit I'm thinking to tell you about you and your intelligence. Does that mean I'm going to get banned for flaming simply because I'm thinking about it?

2) Yes, are you?

3) No, for example, go tell the next police officer you see that you're thinking about commiting a crime, in fact be specific, tell him you're thinking about robbing a bank - and see if they arrests you.

lol the problem i'm having with that analogy is that you're claiming that something is only evil if it has been punished or can be punished... which makes no sense... evil is not defined by punishment

 

btw... intelligence dictates that if we say all things spawned from something then that means ALL things not just a portion... and thinking about flaming because someone has views that differ from yours isn't very intelligent at all imo

1) No, the problem you're having is that you're making a claim, without any decent arguments to back it up.

2) Sorry, I wasn't trying to insult you I was just making a point, neither was I really thinking about flaming.



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theshonen8899 on 01 August 2013

The idea of god can be a source that motives evil in much the same way parking tickets motive evil.