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Jay520 on 01 August 2013

Darev. Do you know the difference between

(a) creating rules against already existing bad things.

and

(b) willfully creating bad things, and then later making rules against them.

Human rulemakers represent (a). God represents (b). They are different.

There, now stop with your flawed analogies.



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Jay520 on 01 August 2013
Kyuu said:
Jay520 said:


why did you quote me?

Your comment perfectly makes sense but I saw your other thread about god being a negative force if he ever existed. So I thought to ask for your thoughts about Theists who have it my way. How do you think they impact society from a moral perspective? You're not obliged to answer but I was curious LOL.



When did I say that? Please post links.

ultima on 01 August 2013
DevilRising said:
Claiming you know for a fact that god doesn't exist, that NO form of "god" or "gods" or "spirits" exist, is just as ignorant and small-minded as trying to claim that any other spiritual beliefs one might have, are "FOR SURE" the only correct beliefs. You can't "prove" there is a god, any more than you can "prove" there isn't. Making these kinds of arguments and sparking these kinds of debates......really serves no good purpose.

So do you keep your mind open to the possibility of an omnipotent teapot with an infinitely long spout floating around somewhere in space?



           

ultima on 01 August 2013
Jay520 said:
Darev. Do you know the difference between

(a) creating rules against already existing bad things.

and

(b) willfully creating bad things, and then later making rules against them.

Human rulemakers represent (a). God represents (b). They are different.

There, now stop with your flawed analogies.

Boom! You, sir, nailed it!



           

ultima on 01 August 2013

At OP:
I don't believe that a god exists. But if the Abrahamic god did exist, then he'd be the greatest evil, because he's the original source and creator of evil; he's the being with all the power to stop and eliminate evil, yet doesn't do anything to achieve a world without evil.
Also, read the old testament and see for yourself all of the evil commands god gives his people, and the atrocities they carry out from his command.



           

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Accela on 02 August 2013


richardhutnik on 02 August 2013
Accela said:

Yes, you have DarkMatter and Christopher Hitchens.  In this, you see two examples of two atheists who then argue how God is evil.  This is what i am talking about.  When an individual spends their entire cognitive being railing against God as being both evil and not real, and doesn't bother to follow up by looking at what part of humans is the real culprit here (and propose solutions), they are inconsistent in their view of things, and really not serious about dealing with issues of evil.  Such an individual proposes NOTHING to make humanity better at all, just operating undet the belief that you remove God from cognitive thought, and this alone will result in everyone being good.  Considering that atheism isn't anything but a negation, it still leaves behind all the elements that had made this construct of a human mind seen as horrid, still around, to propose other things.  You had, for example, communist nations in the 20th century doing historically horrible killing of humans, mass oppression, and other travesties, while not having god.  In that, you had worship of a human leader on top, replacing God.  Just eliminating God didn't make anything better.



fordy on 02 August 2013
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:
o_O.Q said:
DaRev said:
I’m not entirely sure what we’re discussing here, but if it is the question: where does evil come from?, then the answer has to be the Devil – evil comes from the devil. I say this because the Devil is the first one to break God’s rules, which made him, the Devil, evil. So, “evil”, I would say is nothing more than breaking God’s rules.

Additionally, saying God is evil, is like saying any other rule maker is evil. Is the government or the courts evil, simply because they make rules and people don’t follow? The evil one is the one that breaks the rules, not the one that makes them.

Now, if you don’t believe in God, then I guess that makes Man the rule maker, and if it is that Man breaking his own rules then, only Man can be evil – no ?.

that is a poor comparison between law makers and god with regards to this

law makers do not give people the capacity to do evil but god does

again if we say everything came from god then evil also came from it

No, because you can make the rules and the OFFENSE or CRIME or EVIL ACT, e.g. murder, or possession of a banned substance, sex with monkeys whatever, but making up the offence doesn’t make you the offender.  So even if God created the offence called EVIL, that doesn’t mean he is evil. Again, it is the one that breaks the rules is evil – no?.

It’s like you’re saying the guy that thought up that murder should be a crime, that person is evil, because he thought it up?

so conceptualising evil doesn't make you evil?

lol are you being serious? 

if i sit around all day daydreaming about killing people i'm not evil just because i haven't actually done so?

Sounds like a lot of people at their workplace....



MCPOxxxAAG on 02 August 2013

Its the idea of a deity and/or the existance of a deity that is the source of some unhealthy human behavior



 

ultima on 02 August 2013
richardhutnik said:
Accela said:

Yes, you have DarkMatter and Christopher Hitchens.  In this, you see two examples of two atheists who then argue how God is evil.  This is what i am talking about.  When an individual spends their entire cognitive being railing against God as being both evil and not real, and doesn't bother to follow up by looking at what part of humans is the real culprit here (and propose solutions), they are inconsistent in their view of things, and really not serious about dealing with issues of evil.  Such an individual proposes NOTHING to make humanity better at all, just operating undet the belief that you remove God from cognitive thought, and this alone will result in everyone being good.  Considering that atheism isn't anything but a negation, it still leaves behind all the elements that had made this construct of a human mind seen as horrid, still around, to propose other things.  You had, for example, communist nations in the 20th century doing historically horrible killing of humans, mass oppression, and other travesties, while not having god.  In that, you had worship of a human leader on top, replacing God.  Just eliminating God didn't make anything better.

Hitchens was against organized religion. For the right reason: religion obstructs education, progress, freedom, justice, etc. The times when Hitchens spoke about god being evil, he was simply entertaining the idea of Abraham's god actually existing. Kind of like reductio ad absurdum.