WiiU isn't competing against Vita. Vita is a portable. Nintendo would have prefered WiiU to be a successes and be copied, like the Wii, than sell like garbage and no one copies WiiU. If the competition isn't following Nintendo's design it might mean their idea is flawed and maybe it is a bad concept . WiiU is a catastrophe so big that the competition isn't even interested to touch the concept. There's no way to spin it. Not even Nintendo.

Apart from the fact that most kids own a Wii and see that the U is much more colorful and graphically superior to the Wii, and it also has a TABLET.

Dude...I think you're confusing yourself. You know full well graphics aren't a gimmick unless they are foreign to an item.

For instance: The holographic baseball or comic book card in the 90's. This was a gimmick used to make baseball cards more appealing.

Lets look at shoes:

LA Light sneakers in the 90's was created to be more appealing to kids and get normal sneakers to fly off of the shelves. More recently it was the roller sneakers.

Those are gimmicks.

I think you're confusing yourself about what a gimmick is.

I agree with your point, but I doubt it's for the same reason.

You are likely basing the lack of distinction on graphics, which is not what I'm talking about. But the fact remains that Nintendo needs software that distinguishes WiiU and the Gamepad as its own unique experience and something that will produce a mass hit.

Yes....I am sure the sales will support what you're saying...somewhere. It will have GC/N64 level sales without a gimmick. Highest it will ever each is 40 mil. Watch.

You said games aren't games without graphics, I replied that games aren't games without a controller.

A hologram may be a gimmick, but a motion controller or padlet is not by virtue of the fact that it has a tangible value-add in terms of data input.

If you're calling controller like the wiimote and padlet gimmicks, then advanced visual effects in games are equally gimmicky. If we play by your rules, we get fallacies, and that's a sign that your rules are fucked up.

"One of the major problems for the Wii U is that most gamers cant tell the difference between it and the current gen consoles, since all the offerings are on par with current gen."

Don't change the subject. The post was ridiculous and you should own up to it.

Yes, my primary point was because of graphical similarities. Most people who dont game generally will look at things from a superficial stanpoint and wont understand the concept of the Wii U until it is shown to them, kind of like the Wii. Graphically the Wii was nothing special, but being that it make gaming leagues simpler for non-gamers and old people it made for great entertainment for the family. A tablet controller is a harder sell because it still requires the mastery of a standard controller with buttons with the addition of a tablet screen, which doesn't make it less harder, but actually more complex. This will cause the casuals to back up when Nintendo only wants them to step closer to their product.

I never said that a wiimote wasnt tangible value-add in, far from it. I am saying by virtue of it always being secondary in the gamers eye and not a successor to the slowly evolving traditional gamer pad leaves it as a gimmick. They will always be searching for some new peripheral to make gaming easier or different from last gen. Nintendo didnt mind that they caught the worlds attention, even if it was just for an instant.

The guy I spoke to agreed. Whats so ridiculous about it?