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the2real4mafol said:
MDMAlliance said:

In the end, safety standards aren't about if they make you fat or make you hit puberty earlier.  The safety standards are about if foods aren't treated properly and can literally poison you, cause death, or something of a similar caliber. 

Putting manmade chemicals in our cattle and crops surely can't be good for us. I say go organic all the way. 

Based on what?  There are so many "manmade chemicals" that we put in our bodies that we believe are good.  What do you think medicine is?  What do you think candy is?  What do you think goes into our water?  There's also a LOT of problems if you wanted to force the country to go 100% organic.  I would suggest you read the book called The Omnivore's Dilemma so it can help you understand a bit more what some of the issues are.



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Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:

And i'm sure what Monsanto did to wheat can't be good when there have been no proper tests on GM food.

Also, there have been tests on GMO foods.  They just generally don't show anything wrong outside a few studies that didn't really hold up to rigorus scrutiny. Which is sort of the problem with these sort of things.  You never here about the 100 stories where everythings great, just the 1 story where something maybe is't so great. 

 

Why would they show anything wrong?  You are genetically altering the food to be like antoher completely edible food.

The biggest risks lie largely just in allergines.


The only reasonable reason to be against GMO's right now is because of the US's (and maybe europe?   I dunno) silly application of patents relating to GMOs.  Which really DOES need to change.

 

Genetically modifying foods is actually a tradition that goes back.... centuries.  The only thing that's changed is the way we do it.  Instead fo waiting seasons for crossbreeding to take effect.  We do it in a lab... and we actually test it... which wasn't the case for crossbreeding.

 

In the future GMO's will be used (hopefully) to make healthier nutritous foods.

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/gmo_foods.htm

There's only so much that can go wrong with cross-breeding seeds, but because now we can do it in labs and add any manmade chemicals in it. It can be more dangerous. And because a giant corporation is doing it, i can't even trust GM foods. They cut corners where ever they can, including how safe the food may be. They don't care as long as they make their profit and sales targets. I may be abit cautious on these GM foods and new technology, but i would rather keep to what's tried and tested when it comes to food. A lot of it is fine as it is.  



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MDMAlliance said:
the2real4mafol said:
MDMAlliance said:

In the end, safety standards aren't about if they make you fat or make you hit puberty earlier.  The safety standards are about if foods aren't treated properly and can literally poison you, cause death, or something of a similar caliber. 

Putting manmade chemicals in our cattle and crops surely can't be good for us. I say go organic all the way. 

Based on what?  There are so many "manmade chemicals" that we put in our bodies that we believe are good.  What do you think medicine is?  What do you think candy is?  What do you think goes into our water?  There's also a LOT of problems if you wanted to force the country to go 100% organic.  I would suggest you read the book called The Omnivore's Dilemma so it can help you understand a bit more what some of the issues are.

I meant organic in how we grow our food and how our cattle live, nothing else. 



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the2real4mafol said:
MDMAlliance said:
the2real4mafol said:

Putting manmade chemicals in our cattle and crops surely can't be good for us. I say go organic all the way. 

Based on what?  There are so many "manmade chemicals" that we put in our bodies that we believe are good.  What do you think medicine is?  What do you think candy is?  What do you think goes into our water?  There's also a LOT of problems if you wanted to force the country to go 100% organic.  I would suggest you read the book called The Omnivore's Dilemma so it can help you understand a bit more what some of the issues are.

I meant organic in how we grow our food and how our cattle live, nothing else. 

Yes, exactly.  Going organic there also means trouble.  The way we do things now yields a high number of crops and meat.  Switching to wholly organic would mean less food and crops would require to use more pesticides unless you mean to lose even MORE of your crops due to pests.



MDMAlliance said:
the2real4mafol said:
MDMAlliance said:
the2real4mafol said:

Putting manmade chemicals in our cattle and crops surely can't be good for us. I say go organic all the way. 

Based on what?  There are so many "manmade chemicals" that we put in our bodies that we believe are good.  What do you think medicine is?  What do you think candy is?  What do you think goes into our water?  There's also a LOT of problems if you wanted to force the country to go 100% organic.  I would suggest you read the book called The Omnivore's Dilemma so it can help you understand a bit more what some of the issues are.

I meant organic in how we grow our food and how our cattle live, nothing else. 

Yes, exactly.  Going organic there also means trouble.  The way we do things now yields a high number of crops and meat.  Switching to wholly organic would mean less food and crops would require to use more pesticides unless you mean to lose even MORE of your crops due to pests.

What's wrong with using manure? The natural fertiliser 



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NiKKoM said:
Do other countries even go that low with their health standards?


Thats what I was thinking.



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the2real4mafol said:
MDMAlliance said:

Yes, exactly.  Going organic there also means trouble.  The way we do things now yields a high number of crops and meat.  Switching to wholly organic would mean less food and crops would require to use more pesticides unless you mean to lose even MORE of your crops due to pests.

What's wrong with using manure? The natural fertiliser 

Why are you talking about fertilizer when I was talking about pesticides?  Fertilizer is only a very small part of the big picture.



the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:

And i'm sure what Monsanto did to wheat can't be good when there have been no proper tests on GM food.

Also, there have been tests on GMO foods.  They just generally don't show anything wrong outside a few studies that didn't really hold up to rigorus scrutiny. Which is sort of the problem with these sort of things.  You never here about the 100 stories where everythings great, just the 1 story where something maybe is't so great. 

 

Why would they show anything wrong?  You are genetically altering the food to be like antoher completely edible food.

The biggest risks lie largely just in allergines.


The only reasonable reason to be against GMO's right now is because of the US's (and maybe europe?   I dunno) silly application of patents relating to GMOs.  Which really DOES need to change.

 

Genetically modifying foods is actually a tradition that goes back.... centuries.  The only thing that's changed is the way we do it.  Instead fo waiting seasons for crossbreeding to take effect.  We do it in a lab... and we actually test it... which wasn't the case for crossbreeding.

 

In the future GMO's will be used (hopefully) to make healthier nutritous foods.

http://nutrition.about.com/od/askyournutritionist/f/gmo_foods.htm

There's only so much that can go wrong with cross-breeding seeds, but because now we can do it in labs and add any manmade chemicals in it. It can be more dangerous. And because a giant corporation is doing it, i can't even trust GM foods. They cut corners where ever they can, including how safe the food may be. They don't care as long as they make their profit and sales targets. I may be abit cautious on these GM foods and new technology, but i would rather keep to what's tried and tested when it comes to food. A lot of it is fine as it is.  

So your arguement is that because it's a big corporation they're guilty until they are proven guilty and no amount of testing (Of which there is a LOT) that proves it's safe will ever convince you.

You are exactly what's wrong with the aforementioned health movement, and why we will never be as healthy as we could be.

If you weren't so focused on parnoid accusations where there is no proof, researchers and companies would be much more willing to not only genetically alter food so it's easier to grow (which is what GMOs do, make it so that poor areas can grow foods without risk of losing their homes and starving nations)

but also so that it produces far more nutriets then it normally does.

 

If everyone switched to purely organic methods of farming, we'd have food shortages, and certain areas could never have locally grown foods due to inhospitable climates... and we would do this because despite all the studies and tests showing everything is ok.... you don't trust big companies?

 

Europe has a GMO ban for one reason... and it's that the big countries that can grow crops, don't want the smaller countries with inhospitable climates and poor soil to be able to compete in the little free trade protectionism zone known as the EU.  (well and that some of the profits would find it's way to the US, since the US leads the field.)



Agriculture without chemical pesticides in India
~ http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/earthrise/2013/07/201377990322734.html

It has actually proven to be very successful.



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So we need to reduce the standards ?