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Adinnieken said:

This.

People read the bible believing it is a factual account.  It isn't.  The Great Flood, for example, didn't happen.  It's a story that is common in the middle-eastern region and has its origins in Mesopotamia long before even biblical scholars can attribute it to happening in the biblical time-line.

There are historical facts in the bible, but the bible isn't a true historical document.

The fact that you are lumping the bible in one big catch-phrase goes to show how much you know about it.

The book is written by various authors, in many different languages under various litterary types. The gospel accounts themselves are of varying degrees of historical method.

It just goes to show that, no matter what information you present, the bible will always be seen as material that must prove itself, when it really proves itself. I mean, even if the flood were untrue (which I seriously doubt), the gospels hold each other up together very well even historically speaking.



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I thought even having to justify his writing of that book as a Muslim was demeaning, PHD or no PHD. He handled himself very well.

Her analogy of Christianity and Islam as being diametrically opposed political parties really said it all. Please note that the Muslim in that analogy was not the Republican. 



Wait is the lion king A movie influenced by islamic ideas?



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

"Why did you write a book about Jesus if you're Muslim"

o.O

WTF.



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NintendoPie said:
happydolphin said:
With a name like Aslan, I'm surprised he didn't eat her head off.

He might as well have. After all, he does have a PhD in History of Religions, you know.

Edit: Also, Aslan is a cool name. I feel like I heard it from somewhere before, though...


A PhD is meaningless honestly. It doesnt make him 100% correct. A degree means you learned the facts, it doesnt mean your opinion is valid. I know people with scientific degrees that say some really stupid things.

Our scholars also lack a complete history of the world to fully know the history of religion. We know of religious stories that date back 15k years. I doubt his knowledge or anyone else today or any library in the world contains everything about every religion because we just dont have the information.

Not that i have any issue with him writting a book as long as his religion didnt get in the way of reporting the facts, but a degree does not mean you instantly win any argument and to suggest that anyone with a degree knows what they are talking about shows a serious lack of understanding about what a degree is and how you actually get one or dont get one.



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mrstickball said:


New Testament is a bit different, though. There are 20,000 manuscripts that have been found and utilized to make up what we read today. Between the 20,000 source manuscripts, there is almost no variance between them, aside from translation differences between the languages they are written in. They all say the same thing about Jesus, and the writings thereafter by Paul, Peter, and the writers of the Gospels.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any document from antiquity that is even close to that kind of relaibility - even the works of the historical scholars that make up our understanding of the ancient world. Even then, the 3rd party, non-religious accounts of Christianity agree with what the NT says, where the statements are available.

Having said that, a book writen by a Muslim on Christ is going to be heavily biased against Christ's claims. Much in the same way if a Christian wrote about Mohammed.

You speak as if you have anywhere near as much background as this guy in Religious History.  I have talked to someone who was studying Religion and he would disagree with you, just as Aslan would.  There are many bad translations in the Bible and there are also books that have been lost (New Testament).  

Also, your last part really shows how prejudiced you are.  Him being Muslim suddenly means he's going to be biased against Christ's claims?  I know how you make your arguments and I rarely ever agree with you, and you make really bad arguments all the time so I'm not even going to bother responding past this.



mrstickball said:
Adinnieken said:
Mr Khan said:
happydolphin said:
I know this thread is about bad journalism, but after having watched the daily show interview posted by seth, it goes to show how off you can be when you reject the bible's account...

Jesus didn't defy the roman empire, he defied the Jewish stranglehold on the Judaic tradition. He was crucified as an outlaw though he never defied the state, that's because he was crucified for reason of Jewish persecution, not roman hostility...

When a scholar of two decades can't appreciate that subtle difference, you know the world is going to shit.

Having not read Dr. Aslan's account, I would suggest that it is in the interests of the Bible Writers to present an account that painted the Jewish establishment in something of a bad light as Christianity was the new claimant to the Abrahamic tradition, and at the same time to at least paint a neutral picture of the Romans (lest the Empire drop the hammer on the religion in its infancy, and so that Roman citizens would be less inclined to reject the Christian message for patriotic reasons).

This.

People read the bible believing it is a factual account.  It isn't.  The Great Flood, for example, didn't happen.  It's a story that is common in the middle-eastern region and has its origins in Mesopotamia long before even biblical scholars can attribute it to happening in the biblical time-line.

There are historical facts in the bible, but the bible isn't a true historical document.


New Testament is a bit different, though. There are 20,000 manuscripts that have been found and utilized to make up what we read today. Between the 20,000 source manuscripts, there is almost no variance between them, aside from translation differences between the languages they are written in. They all say the same thing about Jesus, and the writings thereafter by Paul, Peter, and the writers of the Gospels.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find any document from antiquity that is even close to that kind of relaibility - even the works of the historical scholars that make up our understanding of the ancient world. Even then, the 3rd party, non-religious accounts of Christianity agree with what the NT says, where the statements are available.

Having said that, a book writen by a Muslim on Christ is going to be heavily biased against Christ's claims. Much in the same way if a Christian wrote about Mohammed.

The new testament is a very small, cherry picked subset of the said manuscripts. Even still, there is a vast amount of contadiction in the new testament. The bible, new or old testament, is not an accurate account of history.

(At bold) That does not have to be true. A christian outright rejects the notion of Mohammed being a prophet, whereas muslims say that Jesus was a prophet.



           

Yeah, that's about what I've come to expect out of the big networks. They're all terrible, and you should never use any of them as your primary source of news. In fact, you shouldn't ever only use one source for all of your news.



happydolphin said:
Adinnieken said:

This.

People read the bible believing it is a factual account.  It isn't.  The Great Flood, for example, didn't happen.  It's a story that is common in the middle-eastern region and has its origins in Mesopotamia long before even biblical scholars can attribute it to happening in the biblical time-line.

There are historical facts in the bible, but the bible isn't a true historical document.

The fact that you are lumping the bible in one big catch-phrase goes to show how much you know about it.

The book is written by various authors, in many different languages under various litterary types. The gospel accounts themselves are of varying degrees of historical method.

It just goes to show that, no matter what information you present, the bible will always be seen as material that must prove itself, when it really proves itself. I mean, even if the flood were untrue (which I seriously doubt), the gospels hold each other up together very well even historically speaking.

If you doubt the fallacy of the Great Flood then you've already lost.  The geological and historical evidence soundly disputes the existence of the Great Flood as written in the Bible.  In fact, several aspects of Noah and his Ark are lifted directly from earlier accounts from Babylon., suggesting that Noah and his Ark is an adaptation of earlier Great Flood stories.

As as much as you may feel the gospels hold up, they also fall flat in others or worse contradict each other.

In terms of some philisophical teachings in the bible, I think there is great value.  But the bible as an accurate, unimbellished account of a factual, historical period in history?  No. 



ListerOfSmeg said:
NintendoPie said:
happydolphin said:
With a name like Aslan, I'm surprised he didn't eat her head off.

He might as well have. After all, he does have a PhD in History of Religions, you know.

Edit: Also, Aslan is a cool name. I feel like I heard it from somewhere before, though...


A PhD is meaningless honestly.It doesnt make him 100% correct.

He never claims to be 100% correct.

A degree means you learned the facts,it doesnt mean your opinion is valid.

 A lot of the things argued here are not opinions, but actually highly documented history. 

I know people with scientific degrees that say some really stupid things.

  Which is exactly why you see those scholars making stupid criticisms to his book.

Our scholars also lack a complete history of the world to fully know the history of religion.

And if you paid any attention to what he says,  he says that it is debatable. 

 We know of religious stories that date back 15k years. I doubt his knowledge or anyone else today or any library in the world contains everything about every religion because we just dont have the information.

Once again, never makes that claim.

Not that i have any issue with him writting a book as long as his religion didnt get in the way of reporting the facts,but a degree does not mean you instantly win any argument and to suggest that anyone with a degree knows what they are talking about shows a serious lack of understanding about what a degree is and how you actually get one or dont get one.  

He doesn't make that argument, he consistently talks about his PhD to prove that him being Muslim has nothing to do with what is in his book, it is the fact that he studies the topic and have a lot of background in it, so he can talk about it from a much more objective point of view than someone who simply talks from what they have personally experienced.