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Auron said: FunKrusher said: Auron said: Omac said: darthdevidem01 said: @Funkrusher HALO 3 appeals to a WIDER Demographic than GT5 & FFXIII WHAT BS! GT series has never sold below 9 million (peaking at 15 million) & FF never below 5 million (peaking at 10 million) It's quite obvious GT as a series is bigger than Halo...now You smoking crack? And you are too big of a Halo fanboy to realise that he is right. Numbers don't lie, back under your bridge troll. I love when you say something and someone calls you a fanboy not knowing anything about you or your background. Hey genuis' I don't even like HALO. I'm into COD4 though if you must know. So there's something you just learned about me. See the problem with the internet is you try and being insulting or funny. And sure it may come off as funny or insulting to you or your e-flunky followers. But an insult without claim or merit to back it isn't at insult it's just ignorance. There you go you just learned something else. I'm giving out gold stars if you can apply and use this knowledge correctly next time. But back to the matter on hand it was ignorant on my part to put that up there with out checking actual numbers and sales data, and doing all that cool internet tech savy you guys do. My bad. I will infact retract that statement. But assuming you read (because it's apparent you didn't comprehend what was written). I was saying that these franchise WILL NOT CAUSE A HUGE SPIKE IN SALES FOR THE PS3 TO MAKE IT CATIPULT FROM 7million to 17MILLION SYSTEMS SOLD UPON THEIR RELEASE. I put it in bold for you. Take some time read it and digest it. And I stand buy that. The numbers you guys listed were on a system that had what? Over 100million users as a fanbase? Okay maybe not that much over their first releases but the Ps2 at the time of FFX-XII and MGS3 and GTA3-4 clearly had more than 20 million users.So let's apply those numbers here? Are those the current Sales-TO-Life date? Cool let's use them to help me make my point. if I'm looking at the numbers for those past games. And looking at the install numbers for the Ps3 NOW (in bold again for the comprehensively challenged). That means in order for any of those games on their release to sell those numbers EVERYONE (in bold again) who owns a Ps3 will be buying those games.Now sure that can happen? But the probability of it happening? You do the math.So I've spelled it out for you. I could make a witty comment about you guys being too much of Ps3 fanboys to have read and comprehended this or my previous post. But I'll let what I just posted speak for itself.Go ahead refute that. And please feel free to ad more nonsensical witty, attempt at hurting e-feelings comments. I need a few more laughs. Time is yours.  What is this your alt account or did you think i was talking to you when my comments are towards Omac and not you.  If this is your alt nice to know that you troll on at least two accounts.  How about you find something better to do with your time?  Now you talk about the PS3 numbers now well GT is not coming out NOW is it?  Next GT didn't sell that amount in one day but over the generation.  Now if you are Omac then my comments stand.  If you are not well then i guess you can join him under the bridge.

 

Hey genius! Yeah I thought those comments were directed towards me. Being I was the one that initially said that HALO 3 has a higher casual install base than those franchises.  And read your comments and others comments labelling me a Halo3 fanboy.

Wow you're telling me that I can go hide under a bridge implying I'm a troll?  Wait so backing up your arguement or any arguement in a detailed thought out manner explaining your views with no hints of fanboyism at all makes you a troll!?!?!?! Actually I will personally fly to where ever you are and hand you 10k in USD cash if you can find ANY fanboyism in the previous post that I have written (examples: saying another system sucks or is clearly showing an irrational bias towards one system or not). 

 Okay, I think we need to make a petition for people who have reading and comprehension problems.  We need to get the kids the help they need.  It'll help them out in the grand scheme of things.

  You're so quick to come off on here and make yourself pretty much look like a donkey's arse with no claim what-so-ever or foundation to stand on.

 Dude if you actually read and COMPREHENDED  what I said, I already made your point that THOSE WERE LIFETIME SALES TO THOSE GAMES.  I already talked about how THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL WHAT THE INSTALL BASE WILL BE WHEN THEY COME OUT.  And in trying to be comedian you just made my point so if those are lifetime sales on a system that has 100million+ User base. And most of those games Have 6million LIFETIME SALES.

 

That means  6% OF THE INSTALL BASE OF THE SYSTEM HAS BOUGHT THOSE GAMES.

But that wasn't my point. We'll get back to this let's just call it POINT A.

 

 

 The main point being which was I (as in me not your e-nemesis or whoever else you were talking to). Was *drum roll*

 

THOSE GAMES WILL NOT CAUSE THE PS3 TO GAIN A CRAZY SALES SPIKE AND JUMP FROM 7MILLION to 17 MILLION.

So let's break this down before you once again fail to read and PROCESS (ie: COMPREHEND) actually what's being said here.Space provided to help you maybe understand better.  1. None of those games on the list THE ONE YOU PROVIDED have sold 10million + in their lifetime2. To date there are roughly 7 million Ps3s that are out in the world with that number increasing even as we speak3. If any of those titles are made available within the next 1-2 years (which we ASSUME they will be). and we Project that the Ps3 sells another 3million hell let's say 4 million systems in that time frame.  That would put it's install base at 11million total.
4. That means in order for the Ps3 to at least sell on the level at the 360 (and we're assuming that that stops selling largely as well. Let's give the 360 a install base of 19 million. Leaving an 8 million gap)5. Refering to POINT A (if only 6% of 11million user base games buy those games. all based on the performance that they have shown in the past) that means they will sell 660,000k I REPEAT FOR THE COMPRHENSIVELY CHALLENGED 660,000k.All this information is taken directly from things you've posted and implied.  Now I've laid it all out for you. Very simple to follow.  It's up to you to do the rest.   
Now of course this all just speculation and who's to say what could happen.  But like I said originallyTHOSE GAMES WILL NOT CAUSE THE PS3 SALES TO SPIKE FROM 9 MILLION TO 17-18 MILLION IN A YEAR, OR EVEN 2-3 YEARS.  Well probably in 2 years it could actually.Even if it did  6% of let's say 18 MILLION is ONLY 1.08 MILLION.Now just for farts and laughs we could make the arguement that HALO3 with 5million sold on a system with 16 million install base has sold to 30% of the EXISTING USER BASE. I'm no mathematician but 30% is a lot higher than 6%.  These are actual RIGHT NOW NUMBERS.  But you probably already knew that, being that you're a genius and all. And according to your "non-fanboy" inspired post you said that those franchises selling 6million lifetime totals on a system that has 100million+ users, have a bigger user bases than Halo3  RIGHT NOW (YOUR EXACT WORDS) selling 5million total to date sales on a system with 16 million users.  I'd say we need to get you some math lessons too.Hey genius maybe instead of spending so much time on here you need to get yourself over to www.hookedonphonics.com and try some READING & COMPREHENSION exercises.It'll save you the embarassment of not knowing what it is your talking about when you're trying to throw insults around.I'm backing up my arguements with math, logic, data (some which you yourself provided) and presenting.How about you?So who's the fanboy again? And for the record I don't like Halo, I prefer COD4

This Thread is a whole lot of epic!!!

*clears throat.*

 

Its great that the PS3 has started to do well, but i think peiopel should not be counting out 360 just yet. Remember last year when everybody was dissin on the ps3 and said it would not sell more the 6mil but years end, but it actually did about 8.5+, yeah, its too early to tell, lets just be happy the PS3 is doing great now and hope it carries on.

 

And 4D gamer i love the comb retaliation, i was laughing my ass of. I welcome you to vgvharts  

The PS3 is at 9.76m....I am confused on where you are getting 7.

Torillian said: The PS3 is at 9.76m....I am confused on where you are getting 7.

My bad I actually was just going off of a previous number.  So then corrections are in order

 6% of 9million = 540,000k

replace that number with the other numbers in my post.

 And I don't mind contributing to the comic relief of this post.  In actuality I don't care. And as I said in my first post it's great the the Ps3 is starting to cover some ground.

 But I don't like when noodles get online and spew a whole bunch of nonsense from talking out the side of their arse, because they think you insulted their system of choice. And then want to call you a fanboy.

 That's my position and I'm sticking to it!

Auron said: Omac said: darthdevidem01 said: @Funkrusher HALO 3 appeals to a WIDER Demographic than GT5 & FFXIII WHAT BS! GT series has never sold below 9 million (peaking at 15 million) & FF never below 5 million (peaking at 10 million) It's quite obvious GT as a series is bigger than Halo...now You smoking crack? And you are too big of a Halo fanboy to realise that he is right. Numbers don't lie, back under your bridge troll. Now thats funny! Omac u better recognize!

 

Just_Ben said: Can people explain to me why they think MS would go aggressive on price front? They will not catch up to the Wii (and they know it) and they have a good year lead to the PS3 if the worst case happens. They have plenty of third party support and really really stellar software sales! Why should they be aggressive? To tell Sony a lesson? Well thats the MS of 2006 not 2008. May I remind everybody they just put an offer to buy Yahoo for 45 billion? That is some serios cash. Cash that even MS does not have! If they get Yahoo it will be the first time they will lend money. Call me crazy but that shows some serious things: MS priority shifted: They want to fight Google, Apple, Linux more than Sony. And thats because they are all attacking MS at its core: The OS and Office business! The move to buy Yahoo is expensive and totally risky. That shows MS is desperate at that front. Do you really think MS will take a fight on Sony in that environment? I doubt it. They will cash in on their gaming devision for a change. They will drop the price of their high profile SKU (Premium) only if they are forced to. 45 billion will seriosly hurt their cash flow and force their hands. I say Sony will drop the price first, MS will just react. You can quote me on that!

Excellent post. Now that MS is finally making a healthy profit off of their gaming division, they will definitely ride that profit for a while, to cover costs in other areas of the company (like the Yahoo buyout), and to hopefully pull in enough cash to make they're $6 bil. investment in the Xbox brand seem worth it.

MS has a nice healthy chunk of the market right now, and they still have a nice price advantage over the ps3 ($130), so I can't see them dropping the price unless absolutely necessary (i.e. as a reaction to more Sony price cuts).

FunKrusher said: Auron said: Omac said: darthdevidem01 said: @Funkrusher HALO 3 appeals to a WIDER Demographic than GT5 & FFXIII WHAT BS! GT series has never sold below 9 million (peaking at 15 million) & FF never below 5 million (peaking at 10 million) It's quite obvious GT as a series is bigger than Halo...now You smoking crack?  And you are too big of a Halo fanboy to realise that he is right.  Numbers don't lie, back under your bridge troll. I love when you say something and someone calls you a fanboy not knowing anything about you or your background.  Hey genuis' I don't even like HALO. I'm into COD4 though if you must know. So there's something you just learned about me.  See the problem with the internet is you try and being insulting or funny. And sure it may come off as funny or insulting to you or your e-flunky followers. But an insult without claim or merit to back it isn't at insult it's just ignorance.  There you go you just learned something else. I'm giving out gold stars if you can apply and use this knowledge correctly next time.  But back to the matter on hand it was ignorant on my part to put that up there with out checking actual numbers and sales data, and doing all that cool internet tech savy you guys do.  My bad. I will infact retract that statement.  But assuming you read (because it's apparent you didn't comprehend what was written). I was saying that these franchise WILL NOT CAUSE A HUGE SPIKE IN SALES FOR THE PS3 TO MAKE IT CATIPULT FROM 7million to 17MILLION SYSTEMS SOLD UPON THEIR RELEASE. I put it in bold for you. Take some time read it and digest it.  And I stand buy that. The numbers you guys listed were on a system that had what? Over 100million users as a fanbase? Okay maybe not that much over their first releases but the Ps2 at the time of FFX-XII and MGS3 and GTA3-4 clearly had more than 20 million users.So let's apply those numbers here? Are those the current Sales-TO-Life date?  Cool let's use them to help me make my point.  if I'm looking at the numbers for those past games. And looking at the install numbers for the Ps3 NOW (in bold again for the comprehensively challenged).  That means in order for any of those games on their release to sell those numbers  EVERYONE (in bold again) who owns a Ps3 will be buying those games.Now sure that can happen? But the probability of it happening? You do the math.So I've spelled it out for you. I could make a witty comment about you guys being too much of Ps3 fanboys to have read and comprehended this or my previous post.  But I'll let what I just posted speak for itself.Go ahead refute that.  And please feel free to ad more nonsensical witty, attempt at hurting e-feelings comments.  I need a few more laughs.  Time is yours.

I'll try to refute you, but I apologize if I misconstrue some of your points because frankly, your post was pretty poorly written and hard to understand.

Now if I'm reading this correctly, you are claiming a few things:

1. GT is not obviously a bigger series than Halo. You believe this since you are arguing against a post that affirmed that GT is clearly a bigger series than Halo. 

2. Upon the release of MSG4, GT5, FXIII, the hardware sales of PS3 will not dramatically spike, causing 10 million sold in a short amount of time.

3. At the time of FFX and GTA3's release, PS2's userbase clearly had more than 20 million users, which is why they sold so many copies, and why FFXIII and GT5 will not sell as many as FFX and GT3 did. 

 

My comments:

1. I think if we were to go by sales, GT is clearly a bigger series than Halo. Looking at the sales

GT: 10.85m

GT2: 9.37m

GT3:  14.87m

GT4:  8.87m

Average:  10.99m

Total: 43.96m

 

Halo:  6.43m

Halo2: 8.45m

Halo3: 7.13m

Average: 7.34m

Total: 22.01 

 

GT as a series as not only sold about twice as many copies as Halo, but on average each game has also sold about 50% more copies. 

 

2. Of course it won't. No one is expecting a huge spike on the day these games releases (at least, I hope). Look at the week GT3 came out. PS2 sales went from 200k to 230k. The week FFX came out, PS2 sales went from 283k to 387k. The HW sale won't magically start doubling or tripling. But what's important is that these games will give the PS3 weekly sales a small bump, for many weeks to come. Did R&C or Uncharted spike PS3 sales when they came out? No. But the PS3 has beat 360 sales WW for 10 weeks in a row, and you can beat part of that is due to those two games.

 

3. Actually, at the release of GT3, there were 9.1 million PS2's sold. At the release of FFX, there were 11.7 million PS2's sold. They didn't sell truckloads because of a huge PS2 userbase. PS2 gained a huge userbase because of these games. You seem smart. I'm sure you can figure out the proper analogy with GT5, FXIII and the PS3.

hello271 said: FunKrusher said: Auron said: Omac said: darthdevidem01 said: @Funkrusher HALO 3 appeals to a WIDER Demographic than GT5 & FFXIII WHAT BS! GT series has never sold below 9 million (peaking at 15 million) & FF never below 5 million (peaking at 10 million) It's quite obvious GT as a series is bigger than Halo...now You smoking crack?  And you are too big of a Halo fanboy to realise that he is right.  Numbers don't lie, back under your bridge troll. I love when you say something and someone calls you a fanboy not knowing anything about you or your background.  Hey genuis' I don't even like HALO. I'm into COD4 though if you must know. So there's something you just learned about me.  See the problem with the internet is you try and being insulting or funny. And sure it may come off as funny or insulting to you or your e-flunky followers. But an insult without claim or merit to back it isn't at insult it's just ignorance.  There you go you just learned something else. I'm giving out gold stars if you can apply and use this knowledge correctly next time.  But back to the matter on hand it was ignorant on my part to put that up there with out checking actual numbers and sales data, and doing all that cool internet tech savy you guys do.  My bad. I will infact retract that statement.  But assuming you read (because it's apparent you didn't comprehend what was written). I was saying that these franchise WILL NOT CAUSE A HUGE SPIKE IN SALES FOR THE PS3 TO MAKE IT CATIPULT FROM 7million to 17MILLION SYSTEMS SOLD UPON THEIR RELEASE. I put it in bold for you. Take some time read it and digest it.  And I stand buy that. The numbers you guys listed were on a system that had what? Over 100million users as a fanbase? Okay maybe not that much over their first releases but the Ps2 at the time of FFX-XII and MGS3 and GTA3-4 clearly had more than 20 million users.So let's apply those numbers here? Are those the current Sales-TO-Life date?  Cool let's use them to help me make my point.  if I'm looking at the numbers for those past games. And looking at the install numbers for the Ps3 NOW (in bold again for the comprehensively challenged).  That means in order for any of those games on their release to sell those numbers  EVERYONE (in bold again) who owns a Ps3 will be buying those games.Now sure that can happen? But the probability of it happening? You do the math.So I've spelled it out for you. I could make a witty comment about you guys being too much of Ps3 fanboys to have read and comprehended this or my previous post.  But I'll let what I just posted speak for itself.Go ahead refute that.  And please feel free to ad more nonsensical witty, attempt at hurting e-feelings comments.  I need a few more laughs.  Time is yours. I'll try to refute you, but I apologize if I misconstrue some of your points because frankly, your post was pretty poorly written and hard to understand. Now if I'm reading this correctly, you are claiming a few things: 1. GT is not obviously a bigger series than Halo. You believe this since you are arguing against a post that affirmed that GT is clearly a bigger series than Halo.  2. Upon the release of MSG4, GT5, FXIII, the hardware sales of PS3 will not dramatically spike, causing 10 million sold in a short amount of time. 3. At the time of FFX and GTA3's release, PS2's userbase clearly had more than 20 million users, which is why they sold so many copies, and why FFXIII and GT5 will not sell as many as FFX and GT3 did.    My comments: 1. I think if we were to go by sales, GT is clearly a bigger series than Halo. Looking at the sales GT: 10.85m GT2: 9.37m GT3:  14.87m GT4:  8.87m Average:  10.99m Total: 43.96m   Halo:  6.43m Halo2: 8.45m Halo3: 7.13m Average: 7.34m Total: 22.01    GT as a series as not only sold about twice as many copies as Halo, but on average each game has also sold about 50% more copies.    2. Of course it won't. No one is expecting a huge spike on the day these games releases (at least, I hope). Look at the week GT3 came out. PS2 sales went from 200k to 230k. The week FFX came out, PS2 sales went from 283k to 387k. The HW sale won't magically start doubling or tripling. But what's important is that these games will give the PS3 weekly sales a small bump, for many weeks to come. Did R&C or Uncharted spike PS3 sales when they came out? No. But the PS3 has beat 360 sales WW for 10 weeks in a row, and you can beat part of that is due to those two games.   3. Actually, at the release of GT3, there were 9.1 million PS2's sold. At the release of FFX, there were 11.7 million PS2's sold. They didn't sell truckloads because of a huge PS2 userbase. PS2 gained a huge userbase because of these games. You seem smart. I'm sure you can figure out the proper analogy with GT5, FXIII and the PS3.

to be fair, funkrusher did retract his statment regard halo as being more appealing to a larger demographic than gt or ff. the error in his logic is stating that to reach the average sales of these series/titles, the entire ps3 user base would have to purchase a copy.  we should remeber that we are talking about life time sales.  and these figures didnt comeabout overnight.  ff and gt reached such sales through out the ps2's lifetime.  i'm guessing that these titles are still selling some even to date as the ps2 is still alive and kicking.

as hello271 stated, once gt5 and ffxiii comes out, these games would help boost ps3 sales on a weekly basis.  the sales may not suddenly go up to the millions, but these games will help the ps3 sell more increaseing its user base. (i should think this is true since i am one of those waiting for ffxiii and gt5 to come out, i'll probably be buying a ps3 sometime during the 2nd half of this year in anticipation of these two titles :P)