@ 4D

Ok good comeback wasnt ready for that.

But how can u say they them games arent going cause a boost. Not only hardcores buy these games. Its just having solid titles in the shelf

btw dignity *cough*

So in addition to calling me stupid you make the vague declaration that there are many games on par with afor mentioned titles that are suppossed to be comming out for the PS3 (because I'm sure there are none what-so-ever comming out for the 360 or Wii). The games I listed are those that will matter the most to undecided potential adopters and thus serve as the most effective examples in driving home a much larger point. Agree or disagree if you like, but if namecalling is one of your first reactions then its fairly easy to see who is getting flustered by the discussion.

If all you can offer is pety hope that the unremarkable HD Disc market will grow any faster than it already has then you have my condolences. I like how you assume Blu-Ray will replace DVD as well, as if beating HD-DVD has garanteed it anything in the way of the market's future. Even if you ignore the varieties of more advanced and more appealing disc formats on the horizon 5-10 years down the road there's really no reason for people to invest in a new media library that only gives you the benefit of higher resolution. People want a breakthrough that warrents change, not a slight improvement over the existant standard which they're more than content with. DVD had huge benefits over VHS, CD had huge benefits over Cassettes, each was a shoe in because of what they offered in convenience of navigation, playability and an ideal preservation of ones media library. Digital picture and sound where just the icing on the cake in lieu of what these new formats reprented to the consumer's core interests. What HD discs offer over SD discs is just superficial and really silly when you try to use that as a reason to replace your entire media library. By your logic Mini-Discs would have been a shoe in over CDs.

And being more adept at cutting costs doesn't mean Sony actually is doing so at a pace needed to sustain more price drops or that they can do so and not risk jepordizing the Sony brand any further. It's all speculation. What we do know is that from the past Sony has been able to cut the price of their product repeatedly (cuttin costs of production is debateable) and Microsoft has been able dump funds into the Xbox brand with no problem. The real question then which do you think these two strategies will become a problem for their company first?

Of course those games will cause a significant boost. But not enough. And certainly no more a boost than what similar titles on the 360 have. Since the day the PS3 launched you well wishers have been feeding us declarations of future games saving the console, and well over a year later, nothing has changed. Forgive us if we've grown tired of your promises.

+1 for 4D gamer - I nearly fell outta my chair on that one ... 

Now you are reading into things and assuming I stated nothing was coming out for the other systems. I was only stating there were many games coming out for the Ps3 for all fans. Which was in reference to your holding out for hope statement. So I guess Halo 3 won't sell due to it being an aging title. Maybe Super Smash brothers won't either due to how aged this title is your argument is silly. I apologise if you took offense to the stupidity comment as I was a bit out of line with that I should have used a nicer word :).

As for your statement no reason to invest in a format with slight improvements. I ask you a question do you think in say 1 year when there are 20 million PS3 owners that when they have a choice to buy an outdated DVD or a Blu-ray disc for the same price they would actually choose the inferior product? I think not. That is really all I have to say today back to work now. Was a pleasure having the discussion with you 4D.

Why do you assume all PS3 owners will bother with Blu-Ray. Why do you assume any PS3 owner isn't bitter with Blu-Ray over making their console so expensive and crippling the Playstation's grip on the market? Why do you think the PS3's numbers will in anyway force an unavoidable change in home media formats? I think you've confused PS3 owners with the home media market as a whole.

I'm sure it makes sense to you, but if everyone shared your way of thinking, the PS3 would be the number one selling console right now.

Wow, this thread is hilarious. MOAR! I want to see MOAR fighting!

I have a PS3 and me not so much impressed with Blu Ray. I have more HD DVDs than my Bluz, though I do rent Bluz from Netflix, but the lack of features hurts big time. Yeah, the library rocks, but that's the only factor. Technically, HD DVD is leaps and bounds over Blu Ray. Blu won because of one thing - studio support. Studios wanted region locking, something that HD DVD didn't offer. There you have it.

And if someone wants to rant about the HD DVD audio, fat chance. The audio is essentially the same on both format - and require a very high-end system to tell the difference.

The joke is on folks who buy a PS3 NOW and think it's sooooo far ahead of the 360 in every department when it's not. If only folks knew that the 360 offers a similar gaming experience (ok, I can't put my 360 controller in front of me and race in 'Motorstorm' - but I do have rumble from jump ...). Sure, the PS3 offers HD viewing with Blu Ray, but it would have helped Sony out (and gamers) by just bypassing it and dealing with the DVD-9 issues. 

I think we'll continue to see the PS3 outsell the 360. The 360's userbase will continue to be large in the U.S. but will obviously not exceed the PS3's in Europe and Japan so in the end as we all should have assumed, the PS3 will outsell the 360 on a week to week basis with a few weeks going either way from here on out.

The PS3 is catching, but the 360 still has a quite large lead. I don't see the PS3 taking over for quite a while yet.

And anything could change in the meanwhile. Price changes, games that disappoint, or games that surprisingly impress.

I agree about the arguements. They do make for some serouis entertainment. My whole thing is I wasn't even attacking the Ps3, just stating a local observation. I don't care if it outsells the 360 or Wii (which I have both and I'll soon be getting one of those cheap ps3's from ebay when games come out that i want).

But people act like you smacked there mom in the mouth when you say something THEY view as disparging about their system of choice. And then want to attack you and call you immature or something. If that's not the very definition of ironic, then?

But anyway. Put me in the bracket of people that don't think MGS5 or GTA5 or FFX13 are going to help Sony leap grand canyon hurdles. Sure their are people like me out there who will buy it once there a many games (MGS4 being one) that they want for the system.

But everyone here comparing those games needs to have a reality check. The marketing campaign for Halo was HUGE. It was like the Super Mario 3 campaign back in the day when McDonalds had Mario happy meals and things of that sort.

Honestly ask yourself, are they going to have MGS4 soft drinks, towels, commercials every five seconds with some variation of the catchy tag phrase "Finish the fight?" or things of that sort. Yes the game will come out and review well and be received well by gamers.

But Halo3 appeals to a bigger demographic than FF13, MGS4, and GTA5. Just look at history, that's a fact. There are far more people that are casual, core gamers that buy Halo games than those 3 games.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

A lot of people are also just discounting what MS has up it's sleeve, to which this effect we really don't know. I keep reading about how sony is going to drop prices and etc. But MS can do the exact same thing and actually get the 360 to a cheaper price point than Sony. MS is a lot closer to that magic $200 price point than Sony is currently as well.

In the end though really what difference does it make? If you have either system and enjoy it. Then do that, there's not going to be a magic prize at the end of the rainbow if either of the prediction made by anyone is right. Just the fact that you can maybe thump your chest and say "I told you so..."