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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
So you have to forget you have a PC if you want to have a discussion with Sales2099 now.

Yep, not doing that. Even my laptop from 2006 runs Minecraft.

But your PS3 cant'.

It isn't a hard concept. If there is a Xbox vs PS comparison, compare everything, not just exclusives, thats on one and not the other. This would also apply to PS multiplats that are PS3/PC and PS3/Vita. Count everything that one has and the other doesn't. No filtering and no outside platforms.Just 1 vs 1.



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Torillian on 16 July 2013
Aldro said:
sales2099 said:
Aldro said:

Also the word exclusive has really lost its meaning with this generation. Sure you  can throw around "Console exclusive" or "HD Twin exclusive" but seriously =>

 

"ex·clu·sive - Not divided or shared with others."


If you can experience it somewhere else: Then it is not exclusive in any way. Period.

This isn;t about exclusives. This is about comparing what one has and the other doesn't.

Your filtering of just exclusives is the real problem; sweeping Xbox games under the rug like they don't exist. And even PS multiplats not on Xbox. Two way street. Just comparing exclusives is increasingly closed minded in this age, especially in a strict Xbox vs PS comparison.

I don't know what you're doing here then because the Thread title is "issue with the 'exclusives' argument".

If anyone asks me if Ico & SOTC are exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if DC Universe is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if MGS1 is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.

 

That's just my stance on it. I have a PS2, PS3, PC and I can play every single game that the "360 has and the PS3 does not". How some call that a 360 exclusive is beyond me as I ..very obviously don't need a 360.


That's an interesting point.  What's your thought on PS2 and PS1 classics on the PS3, Sales?  Do you count those in your comparison of the two platforms?



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colafitte on 16 July 2013

This is only semantics. Substitute "Exclusive" with "Available", and it fixes all the problems.



sales2099 on 16 July 2013
Aldro said:
sales2099 said:
Aldro said:

Also the word exclusive has really lost its meaning with this generation. Sure you  can throw around "Console exclusive" or "HD Twin exclusive" but seriously =>

 

"ex·clu·sive - Not divided or shared with others."


If you can experience it somewhere else: Then it is not exclusive in any way. Period.

This isn;t about exclusives. This is about comparing what one has and the other doesn't.

Your filtering of just exclusives is the real problem; sweeping Xbox games under the rug like they don't exist. And even PS multiplats not on Xbox. Two way street. Just comparing exclusives is increasingly closed minded in this age, especially in a strict Xbox vs PS comparison.

I don't know what you're doing here then because the Thread title is "issue with the 'exclusives' argument".

If anyone asks me if Ico & SOTC are exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if DC Universe is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if MGS1 is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.

 

That's just my stance on it. I have a PS2, PS3, PC and I can play every single game that the "360 has and the PS3 does not". How some call that a 360 exclusive is beyond me as I ..very obviously don't need a 360.

The OP specifically says the point is to move away from just exclusives, because it filters out some really great titles that the rival platform doesn't have.

I know its hard, but try to stop living by that word.

Is SOTC on PS3 but not 360? Yes. Is DC Universe on PS3 but not 360? Yes. If its a PS3 title and 360 doesn't have it, count it. Its a differentiating feature. Mention it. Nevermind exclusivity.



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attaboy on 16 July 2013

If the PS3 has 100 games and the Xbox has 100 games, I'd say it was a tie.

If the PS3 has 100 games and the Xbox has 100 games, and 50 of those games were available on the PC, it still wouldn't factor into my decision because I don't have a gaming PC. Now, if I DID have a gaming PC, then the Xbox would appear far less enticing and the PS3 would win easily.

I see what you "exclusive" guys are saying. I'm just saying that, if you are doing a one on one comparison, why can't we do a one on one comparison? I'll say it one more time and then I have to go.

ONE library vs. One library (I didn't say anything about exclusives! in that last sentence fragment, did I?)



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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
Euphoria14 said:
sales2099 said:

It is, but it also has no place in the crystal clear PS vs Xbox rivalry.

Xbox gamers have no problem keeping it mono-a-mono, its the PS gamers that can't seem to stand up on their own brand.

At that point we are merely creating debates due to made up rules. :/


Also, 360 obviously cannot keep it mono-a-mono if they need help from the PC to bolster it's library.

It works both ways.

Actually I can. It ain't difficult. When I mention Alan Wake, or Left 4 Dead, I am referring to the Xbox version. A PS gamer would refer to the PC version, as a PS3 version does not exist.

Its 1 vs 1. But your right, it does work both ways. Count FF14, Sly Cooper, PS Battle Royale, MLB. All multiplats not on Xbox. Its progressive thinking I know, but it paints a clearer picture.



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Michael-5 on 16 July 2013

This is why we designate the term "console exclusive." I count PC/360 games, as exclusive, mainly because I have a bad computer, but if someone had a good computer, I couldn't count them.

I don't think anyone ignores Alan Wake as a good 360/PC exclusive, and a reason to buy a 360 for $130 or so

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As for Dead Rising, I've never heard that arguement before.... I agree with you there.



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sth88 on 16 July 2013
ethomaz said:

sth88 said:

Just because you have a PC doesn't mean you can play any PC game on it.  My PC is a low-end laptop that can't play AAA games, or at least can't play them at high graphics settings, which is one of the main reasons one would game on a PC IMO.  Even for a game like Minecraft I'd rather play on 360, since I get achievements and since the multiplayer is easier to set up.  I have zero interest in spending the time or money to build a fancy-schmancy rig that can keep up with next-gen titles, and I don't want to have to think about hardware upgrades (outside of buying additional storage devices, which looks like something I'll have to do this coming generation no matter what platform I play games on); I want to play games on a platform that lets me get into my games with little hassle and doesn't make me learn a whole bunch of technical jargon.  And even if I mind learning the technical stuff, I don't have the money to invest in two platforms (at least not right away, or when one of them is PC which is more expensive hardware-wise than console).

So just saying "well everyone has a PC, so why buy an Xbox" isn't gonna cut it.  For people like me who are console-only, it doesn't matter if an Xbox game is available on PC, because PC gaming is not on our radar at all.

I have a notebook with a GMA HD 4000 video cars (that included with Intel CPUs)... I can play almost all games with quality close to PS3/360.


OK.  Great.  If you don't mind dealing with technical specs, if you don't mind missing out on 360 games that haven't made it to PC, and if you don't mind the fact that your PC isn't able to take advantage of the superior graphics that come with the PC versions of most multi-plat games, then more power to you.  Sounds like you are satisfied with your set-up.

Doesn't work for me, though.  I only play games on console, because I DO mind the tech specs, the 360-only games, and the fact that you need to spend a whole lot of time and money to build a PC that can take advantage of high-end PC graphics (which, as I said before, would be one of the reasons I would play games on PC; no way would I play multi-plats on PC if I couldn't run them at a much higher quality than they run on PS3/360).  So it doesn't change the fact that the "everyone has a PC, so why buy an Xbox" argument doesn't hold up.



attaboy on 16 July 2013
colafitte said:
This is only semantics. Substitute "Exclusive" with "Available", and it fixes all the problems.


Buddy, if you were here a few minutes ago, I wouldn't have pulled my hair out in frustration. 



papamudd on 16 July 2013

We could do a 1 to 1 comparison of console titles, but that would only wooden the gap :p



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