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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
oniyide said:
sales2099 said:
oniyide said:
it seems certain people want to leave out PC as a platform and lets be real here it is a platform to make the 360 look better. That is NOT how it works in the real world. multiplat=game released on mulitiple formats. 360/PC multiple formats

Funny since most people use PC to make PS look better. These multiplats are on Xbox, and Xbox gamers only refer to the Xbox version, not the PC version. Its the PS gamer who uses the PC version to complement PS exclusives.

This isn't even about comparing exclusives, this is about going above that and comparing games on one and not the other, in a true Xbox vs PS comparison.

xbox version? its the same damn game. some xbox gamers want to ignore the PC cause they know it will make the console look less favorabe, but the PC exists so deal with it. 

xbox vs ps3? why stop their, what happened to Wii? Wii U? PC? why exclude those? Dont answer i know why.

Clearly PS fans have no idea there is a PS vs Xbox rivalry.......sigh.

Others exist sure, but.....ya, it ain't part of the rivarly. lol this aint difficult.

"I still hold that in the real world thats not how it works its not PS3vs.360, its PS3vs360vsWiivs.WiiUvs.PC etc"

I agree, but right now we are on the internetz. And internet shows a clear Xbox vs PS rivalry that Nintendo and PC dont seem to be apart of.



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colafitte on 16 July 2013

I'm the first to defend the meaning of "exclusive", but, it's so hard to undestand "exclusive on consoles" too??.
Journey is "only playable" on PS3, and Minecraft is "not only playable" on X360, but Minecraft is "exclusive to X360 on consoles". I think that of all of us agree on this.



Gamegears on 16 July 2013

See this is exactly why I love Nintendo.. everyone knows what the exclusives are and it does not inspire hangings...

But seriously.. I think it's stupid to compare consoles to PC's on any level.. and I think it's just a cheap excuse when people say that is not exclusive because it's on a PC... so what.. technically.. a lot of games came to PC.. that was thought to be exclusives.. (FF7 and 8 anyone??)

The fact of the matter is.. I think when it comes to consoles.. the fans of any system knows they can't completely win... especially when it comes to 360 Vs. PS3 (Or XBOX One Vs. PS4)... because for the most part the exclusives to those consoles counter each other out.. with very few if any exceptions.. and because what one may like.. the other person may not..

So I think the people know this.. and it's just cheap to say well that's not exclusive it's also on PC...



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dsgrue3 on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
So you have to forget you have a PC if you want to have a discussion with Sales2099 now.

Yep, not doing that. Even my laptop from 2006 runs Minecraft.

But your PS3 cant'.

It isn't a hard concept. If there is a Xbox vs PS comparison, compare everything, not just exclusives, thats on one and not the other. This would also apply to PS multiplats that are PS3/PC and PS3/Vita. Count everything that one has and the other doesn't. No filtering and no outside platforms.Just 1 vs 1.

Like Ethomaz tried to explain to you already, everyone (nearly) has a PC. 

Thus when forming a comparison of each respective console's list of games, one should exclude PC games because that isn't adding any value to the product unless you don't have a PC.



Euphoria14 on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:

lol cmon, we are all gamers, but doesn't change there is a clear rivalry....is it so hard to ask we keep things 1 vs 1? They benefit both parties and are quite progressive when you think about it, removing any unecessary filters.

- stick to 1 vs 1 with no outside influences.

- count exclusives, but also multiplats not on the other. This provides a clear picture as to what differentiates between the two. This affects PS3 as well given their PS2 remastered to PS3 games, PS3/Vita titles, and PS3/PC titles. It truly benefits both parties and doesn't filter out great games that can't be played on the rival platform.

If you game on your PC, that's fine. But doesn't mean it should affect a true PS3/360 comparison. It isn't about your gaming preferences, but simply what one offers and the other can't, standing up on their own, individual terms.

Please tell me that you understand where I am coming from....this isn't as self serving as it is about just painting a clearer picture, win or loose.

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I still prefer to look at the entire picture. The entire industry and all it's players.



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sales2099 on 16 July 2013
ethomaz said:

sth88 said:

OK.  Great.  If you don't mind dealing with technical specs, if you don't mind missing out on 360 games that haven't made it to PC, and if you don't mind the fact that your PC isn't able to take advantage of the superior graphics that come with the PC versions of most multi-plat games, then more power to you.  Sounds like you are satisfied with your set-up.

Doesn't work for me, though.  I only play games on console, because I DO mind the tech specs, the 360-only games, and the fact that you need to spend a whole lot of time and money to build a PC that can take advantage of high-end PC graphics (which, as I said before, would be one of the reasons I would play games on PC; no way would I play multi-plats on PC if I couldn't run them at a much higher quality than they run on PS3/360).  So it doesn't change the fact that the "everyone has a PC, so why buy an Xbox" argument doesn't hold up.

I'm not satisfied with my setup... I'm just saying I played Minecraft in a really low-en PC with the same experience than 360... so why Minecraft is a differencial factor on 360? Why people says it is a exclusive.

I can play Minecrat... now tell me where any 360 gamers plays Journey?

That's my point. I buy a 360 for Halo, Gears, Forza, etc... and not multiplat 360/PC... and vice-versa... I buy a PS3 for exclusives and not multiplat PS3/PC.

Its not about your personal gaming preferences. Its about what one can do and the other can't, on their own individual terms. Disregarding all else despite their existence. Its a 1 vs 1 rivalry, keep it that way, despite your access to a gaming PC.



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DucksUnlimited on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
sales2099 said:
 

Minecraft, among others like it = Multiplats, not on PS.

A Xbox gamer would however, treat it like an actual exclusive

So would Red Dead Redemption be considered a 360 exclusive by Xbox gamers because it's not on the Wii?

 

If something is on more than one system, it's not an exclusive. It's as simple as that.

That makes no sense because A real Xbox gamer only views PS as its one rival.

This isn't about exclusives, its about comparing what one has and the other doesnt

Pretty sure a real Xbox gamer is someone who games on Xbox. Has nothing to do with having this apparent vendetta against Playstation.

Your way of thinking only works in a vacuum where Xbox and Playstation are the only platforms available. The reality is that the vast majority of people living in indutrialized nations own PC's. You're ignoring that for the sake of convenience.

Trying to determine the best console for someone bwteen the PS3 and 360, like the OP's example, is nonsensical without acknowledging the very likely possibility that they already own other gaming platforms. Your way of thinking seems nice theoretically, but has very little in the way of real-world applications.



Torillian on 16 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Torillian said:


That's an interesting point.  What's your thought on PS2 and PS1 classics on the PS3, Sales?  Do you count those in your comparison of the two platforms?

In a PS3 vs 360 debate, one would count PS3 and 360 games. Xbox origionals and PS1 classics are not 360 and PS3 titles. They are available on the console, but not techically a current gen game.

Now older gen games that get a remastered PS3 edition like GOW, Okami, SOTC. They have a PS3 retail cover and thus made the jump to a PS3 title, which then counts. Same goes for Halo CEA and the upcoming Fable 1 remake, which get updated for the current gen and get 360 covers.

Just simply keep it strictly to 360 games not on PS3 and PS3 games not on 360. Not Xbox vs PS3, no bringing in outside platforms like Wii and especially PC. Just simply, two specific consoles, and their differentiating games from the current gen.

But isn't the fact that they have to be titles made this generation another arbitrary rule that you put in there for the betterment of the 360's position in these list wars just like you are accusing PS fans of "using PC to make their list better"?  I mean you can argue that current generation games are in general better quality than last generation, but I see no real reason to not include these games if they are a difference between the 360 and the PS3.



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ethomaz on 16 July 2013

sales2099 said:

Its not about your personal gaming preferences. Its about what one can do and the other can't, on their own individual terms. Disregarding all else despite their existence. Its a 1 vs 1 rivalry, keep it that way, despite your access to a gaming PC.

I don't count Warframe or Outlast like a PS4 exclusive like I didn't count Minecraft, The Witcher and others like a 360 exclusive.



Boutros on 16 July 2013

Why are people listening to GeneralMLD? XD