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jonathanalis on 13 July 2013

because naughty dog makes ps3 games since 2006.
Nintendo does games from wii U since 2011.
(i think)



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bananaking21 on 13 July 2013
MohammadBadir said:
HikenNoAce said:
MohammadBadir said:
HikenNoAce said:
AZWification said:

X looks better than The Last of Us.

Yeah.. no. I doubt X will be in consideration for one of the games of the generation.

someone hasn't played Xenoblade Chronicles

And how many GOTY awards did Xenoblade Chronicles win? And that's why it will never be considered one of the games of the generation.


how many GOTY awards did TLOU win?

well uncharted 2 won over 200



Zero999 on 13 July 2013
forethought14 said:

I think Nintendo needs to think of the support they could have had if Wii U had more horsepower. Sure they can't compete with "technical advancements", but that doesn't mean they have to gimp their hardware's potential. That's like running a race and realizing that there's someone leading and running very fast, so then you think to yourself "oh, he runs so quickly. I'm not even gonna bother trying to run at that speed". I just know that Nintendo can do it, they can design a pretty beefy console even with a gimmick. (there was so much more they could have done with 100$ for the MCM than what they've done). The Gamecube was 199$ at launch, and it competed favorably in graphics with its competitors, now slap that philosophy of at least decent-end graphics onto a console, and then add the gamepad, and you've got roughly the same price Wii U is sitting at right now. 

 

What they really need, is a philosophy change. Sure they can't compete with graphics, but at least try to in order to secure as much support as possible. 

Bolded: I'm 100% sure people have to understand that wii u has all the horsepower it needs.



Zero999 on 13 July 2013
BloodyRain said:
MohammadBadir said:
HikenNoAce said:
MohammadBadir said:

someone hasn't played Xenoblade Chronicles

And how many GOTY awards did Xenoblade Chronicles win? And that's why it will never be considered one of the games of the generation.


how many GOTY awards did TLOU win?

Well thats just a plain cheap argument. Tlou just came out and the year isn't over yet. Xeno came out a year or 2 ago already.

and was awarded with the title of best jrpg of the generation.



BloodyRain on 13 July 2013
Zero999 said:
BloodyRain said:
MohammadBadir said:


how many GOTY awards did TLOU win?

Well thats just a plain cheap argument. Tlou just came out and the year isn't over yet. Xeno came out a year or 2 ago already.

and was awarded with the title of best frpg of the generation.

Doesn't matter. I was just saying how cheap the comparison of a game that obviously hasn't won any goty because of release date, to one that is already out for a while. Xeno can wins tons of awards already, but tlou would obviously be zero since the year isn't even up yet.



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zarx on 13 July 2013
Play4Fun said:
zarx said:
Play4Fun said:


No. non-technically minded people just see the whole picture and appreciate graphics as they are.

Technical whores look for flaws to bitch about.


But they don't see the whole picture, they just see it at a surface level. A technically minded person sees the whole picture including the flaws. Your logic is increadibly backwards.

Would you also say cinima buffs have a shallower apreciation for film than joe sixpack who thinks Transformers is a great film because shit blows up and that hot chick is in it?

It would be more acurate to say "ignorance is bliss"


iI've been on internet forums around graphics whores long enough to know who are th shallow ones.

Maybe for someone ignorant of the technical side of gaming it may look like that. Because they have a very shallow understanding and apreciation by vary definition.



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HikenNoAce on 13 July 2013
Zero999 said:
BloodyRain said:
MohammadBadir said:
HikenNoAce said:
MohammadBadir said:

someone hasn't played Xenoblade Chronicles

And how many GOTY awards did Xenoblade Chronicles win? And that's why it will never be considered one of the games of the generation.


how many GOTY awards did TLOU win?

Well thats just a plain cheap argument. Tlou just came out and the year isn't over yet. Xeno came out a year or 2 ago already.

and was awarded with the title of best frpg of the generation.


What's an FRPG?



forethought14 on 13 July 2013
Zero999 said:
forethought14 said:

I think Nintendo needs to think of the support they could have had if Wii U had more horsepower. Sure they can't compete with "technical advancements", but that doesn't mean they have to gimp their hardware's potential. That's like running a race and realizing that there's someone leading and running very fast, so then you think to yourself "oh, he runs so quickly. I'm not even gonna bother trying to run at that speed". I just know that Nintendo can do it, they can design a pretty beefy console even with a gimmick. (there was so much more they could have done with 100$ for the MCM than what they've done). The Gamecube was 199$ at launch, and it competed favorably in graphics with its competitors, now slap that philosophy of at least decent-end graphics onto a console, and then add the gamepad, and you've got roughly the same price Wii U is sitting at right now. 

 

What they really need, is a philosophy change. Sure they can't compete with graphics, but at least try to in order to secure as much support as possible. 

Bolded: I'm 100% sure people have to understand that wii u has all the horsepower it needs.

See, that's not the point though. The difference is moderately large, but it's not big enough to say that it will be "impossible" to port games. I'm certain that Wii U has enough horsepower to surpass PS3/360 and run PS4/X1 games one way or another, but considering how developers are treating it, they won't want to port games for the console if it will give them nothing in return. Next-generation is going to be more expensive to develop for than the current gen, and downporting it to Wii U will likely be quite costly. Again, it won't be impossible, but the fact that they think they'll need to invest quite a bit to make it happen is something they're looking down on, and that's the problem with Wii U's overall power. Recall that many developers are claiming it to be "underpowered". More powerful than PS360 for sure, (developers who say otherwise need to get their acts together, looking at you, all of EA) but not as powerful as they want.

Wii U not selling well right now can also play a factor to those developer decisions. If Wii U were selling immensly, then I'm sure a few developers would consider next-gen ports to the system. I guess I should have mentioned that sales are also affecting their decisions, combined with the specs, and the fact that the architecture is very different. 



NightDragon83 on 13 July 2013
DevilRising said:
NightDragon83 said:
No one is trying because Nintendo themselves have set a precedent that graphics don't really matter, and that taking a minimalist approach to visuals as long as your game sells decent enough is the way to go with the Wii U.


Basing this the whopping handful of titles you've yet seen from Nintendo for Wii U. Right.

Also, Mario Kart 8, X, Bayonetta 2, The Wonderful 101, hell even Pikmin 3, I'd hardly call any of those graphically lazy or "minimalist". And we haven't even seen the new Zelda, or a potential new Star Fox, or Wave Race, or F-Zero, etc. Any one of those games hold the potential to look amazing.

The way people are overreacting is kind of hilarious. Akin to assuming that all SNES games were going to only ever look as good as Super Mario World, or that all PSX games were only ever going to look as good as Jumping Flash.

Actually Super Mario World was one of the best looking games of its day on consoles.  It didn't look like a game that was capable on last-gen consoles when it came out, thats for sure.  Nor did Super Mario 64, or Rogue Squadron II or Melee.  All the other games you mentioned look like Wii games in HD, with the exception of Bayonetta, which looks exactly like a PS360 game.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.