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sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.


Well, the same argument applies to you. You don't live in Japan, so why should I believe your statement that Japan's unique situation is the sole reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide? Don't exempt yourself from your own argument.

Because the internet has information accessable to everyone and we can draw conclusions from it? We all know Japan situation is unique apart from Europe and NA. And given the sales gap between PS3 and 360 there, it really is the sole reason.

My origional point was that 360 sold better in the rest of the world because it played largely the same library and was cheaper. That point still stands. He tried to throw in Japans unique situation as a reason to debunk my claim, which I think is too skin deep to make a real counter.



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Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Captain_Tom said:
sales2099 said:
 

Please id rather not get into Japans cultural rejection of 360 being the only reason why this is the case. Because for the rest of the world, namely NA, being cheaper while having 95% the same library was a huge factor.

This statement is completely unfair.  It is a two way street buddy.  The Xbox is an American console and surprise: It sold best in America.  So then let's look at an "Unbiased" source: Europe.  Oups!  The PS3 outsold it by a fair margin that keeps growing...

Face facts, Xbox 360 had some great advantages in having a year headstart, a cheaper price, and great initial game support and online services.  These things were muddled by their terrible quality, their shortsighted and corporatized lack of sustainable game support, and just flat out inferior technology for the price.  The world spoke.

Americans don't have half the cultural loyalties as Japan. hence PS1 and PS2 domination in America. 360 was just cheaper and played the same games. Japanese culture perception was a direct influence on 360 sales. I mean from 05-08, MS tried there, they really did.

BS on your last paragraph. Japan spoke, nothing more. I don't live there and neither do you, so i wouldn't lean on them for a crutch because you live on 360 turf.


I actually played with quite a few japanese people online from time to time.  That is the nice thing about having a world wide user base:  There are people to play with at all hours of the day, on all games!  I made friends in England, France, and Germany too.

Oh and the 360 was not  very compelling console for a japanese gamer.  JRPG's asside, there were just as many "Japanese" games on PS3 as there were on 360.  Difference is the 360 required LIVE (Which Japanese gamers didn't want to pay for), it had massive failure issues which were a NIGHTMARE to deal with in Japan, and then you have things like MGS4 and FFXIII coming in the future.  The Japanese gamer would buy a 360 if it was truly a better choice for them.  It wasn't.

Also how and in what way am I leaning on them?  LOL a sale is a sale buddy.  Also this "360 Turf" has all of my former 360 gamer friends playing on PC and PS3 with the exception of the 1 diehard fanboy...

I will say that perhaps Xbox is the console for you.  Having said that, have you ever considered that it just flat out isn't the right console for most others?  Or would would you rather pretend some countries "Don't Count."



Aura7541 on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
 

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.


Well, the same argument applies to you. You don't live in Japan, so why should I believe your statement that Japan's unique situation is the sole reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide? Don't exempt yourself from your own argument.

Because the internet has information accessable to everyone and we can draw conclusions from it? We all know Japan situation is unique apart from Europe and NA. And given the sales gap between PS3 and 360 there, it really is the sole reason.

My origional point was that 360 sold better in the rest of the world because it played largely the same library and was cheaper. That point still stands. He tried to throw in Japans unique situation as a reason to debunk my claim, which I think is too skin deep to make a real counter.

It's not convincing enough. It's true that there is a lot of brand loyalty in Japan. However, that does necessarily mean that is the sole reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide. And the 360 only sold better in the US (and UK). However, the PS3 sold better in every other European country.

And the PS3 does not have the same library. I don't see any Tales of series (except for Vesperia), Valkyria Chronicles, the Resistance series, the Infamous series, the Rachet and Clank series, Ni No Kuni, the White Knight Chronicles series, Demons Souls, the Little Big Planet series, Gran Turismo, Flower, Journey, Flow, Rain, Puppeteer, The Last of Us, the Uncharted series, Metal Gear Solid 4, Pixeljunk Shooter, the Atelier series, the Disgaea series, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Modnation Racers, the MLB: The Show series, the Yakuza series, and the God of War series on the 360. And these are the games and game series I just pulled out from my head, not from looking in Wikipedia.

I'm sorry, sales2099, but I cannot find your arguments to be viable and well-supported.



Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
 

Americans don't have half the cultural loyalties as Japan. hence PS1 and PS2 domination in America. 360 was just cheaper and played the same games. Japanese culture perception was a direct influence on 360 sales. I mean from 05-08, MS tried there, they really did.

BS on your last paragraph. Japan spoke, nothing more. I don't live there and neither do you, so i wouldn't lean on them for a crutch because you live on 360 turf.


The things is that Microsoft did try to get a piece of the Japanese market, but they started too late.

America might not have as much cultural loyalties as Japan, but that does not mean there isn't a lot of cultural loyalties in the US. That's why the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 on a week to week basis. And as Captain Tom, pointed out. Look at Europe. The PS3 is outselling the 360 there by a good margin. However, you can't use the cultural loyalties argument on Europe because well, Europe is not Japan.

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.

But we are because it derails your entire argument.  

If you want to start a new one about the same ol games'n'price thing we can though:

-TLOU, Beyond Two Souls, R&C: Into the Nexus, God Of War Ascention.  Two of those games are NEW IPs.

-Gears Of War: Judgment Day.

There ya go: 5 PS3 exclusives Vs. 1 Gears Game.

Then the price is the same except you have to pay for LIVE.  



Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
 

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.


Well, the same argument applies to you. You don't live in Japan, so why should I believe your statement that Japan's unique situation is the sole reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide? Don't exempt yourself from your own argument.

Because the internet has information accessable to everyone and we can draw conclusions from it? We all know Japan situation is unique apart from Europe and NA. And given the sales gap between PS3 and 360 there, it really is the sole reason.

My origional point was that 360 sold better in the rest of the world because it played largely the same library and was cheaper. That point still stands. He tried to throw in Japans unique situation as a reason to debunk my claim, which I think is too skin deep to make a real counter.

And if we remove America the Gap is even bigger!  Xbox, go home.



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Aura7541 on 12 July 2013
Captain_Tom said:
sales2099 said:
Aura7541 said:
sales2099 said:
 

Americans don't have half the cultural loyalties as Japan. hence PS1 and PS2 domination in America. 360 was just cheaper and played the same games. Japanese culture perception was a direct influence on 360 sales. I mean from 05-08, MS tried there, they really did.

BS on your last paragraph. Japan spoke, nothing more. I don't live there and neither do you, so i wouldn't lean on them for a crutch because you live on 360 turf.


The things is that Microsoft did try to get a piece of the Japanese market, but they started too late.

America might not have as much cultural loyalties as Japan, but that does not mean there isn't a lot of cultural loyalties in the US. That's why the 360 continues to outsell the PS3 on a week to week basis. And as Captain Tom, pointed out. Look at Europe. The PS3 is outselling the 360 there by a good margin. However, you can't use the cultural loyalties argument on Europe because well, Europe is not Japan.

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.

But we are because it derails your entire argument.  

If you want to start a new one about the same ol games'n'price thing we can though:

-TLOU, Beyond Two Souls, R&C: Into the Nexus, God Of War Ascention.  Two of those games are NEW IPs.

-Gears Of War: Judgment Day.

There ya go: 5 PS3 exclusives Vs. 1 Gears Game.

Then the price is the same except you have to pay for LIVE.  

Why is sales2099 neglecting Europe from the conversation when he's clearly talking about worldwide sales? The fact that the PS3 outsold the 360 by a significant margin is indisputable.



Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.

But we are because it derails your entire argument.  

If you want to start a new one about the same ol games'n'price thing we can though:

-TLOU, Beyond Two Souls, R&C: Into the Nexus, God Of War Ascention.  Two of those games are NEW IPs.

-Gears Of War: Judgment Day.

There ya go: 5 PS3 exclusives Vs. 1 Gears Game.

Then the price is the same except you have to pay for LIVE.  

Why is sales2099 neglecting Europe from the conversation when he's clearly talking about worldwide sales? The fact that the PS3 outsold the 360 by a significant margin is indisputable.

Because he has no come back to that, and it kills his entire argument.



sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Aura7541 said:

It's not convincing enough. It's true that there is a lot of brand loyalty in Japan. However, that does necessarily mean that is the sole reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 worldwide. And the 360 only sold better in the US (and UK). However, the PS3 sold better in every other European country.

And the PS3 does not have the same library. I don't see any Tales of series (except for Vesperia), Valkyria Chronicles, the Resistance series, the Infamous series, the Rachet and Clank series, Ni No Kuni, the White Knight Chronicles series, Demons Souls, the Little Big Planet series, Gran Turismo, Flower, Journey, Flow, Rain, Puppeteer, The Last of Us, the Uncharted series, Metal Gear Solid 4, Pixeljunk Shooter, the Atelier series, the Disgaea series, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Modnation Racers, the MLB: The Show series, the Yakuza series, and the God of War series on the 360. And these are the games and game series I just pulled out from my head, not from looking in Wikipedia.

I'm sorry, sales2099, but I cannot find your arguments to be viable and well-supported.

Few things are more annoying then a PS3 guy firing off a exclusive list with 0 context. I get it, PS3 has exclusives. My comment meant that their libraries are largely identical, as multiplats outnumber exclusives vastly and tend out sell more then exclusives in the same genre.

So you disagree, so be it.



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sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Captain_Tom said:

I ain't talking about Europe. There 360 sold less but still is holding its own.You win some you loose some.

Point being, don't brag about global sales when Japans unique situation is the sole reason for it and you don't even live there. My origional point of being cheaper while offering the same games, stands.

But we are because it derails your entire argument.  

If you want to start a new one about the same ol games'n'price thing we can though:

-TLOU, Beyond Two Souls, R&C: Into the Nexus, God Of War Ascention.  Two of those games are NEW IPs.

-Gears Of War: Judgment Day.

There ya go: 5 PS3 exclusives Vs. 1 Gears Game.

Then the price is the same except you have to pay for LIVE.  

Why is sales2099 neglecting Europe from the conversation when he's clearly talking about worldwide sales? The fact that the PS3 outsold the 360 by a significant margin is indisputable.

Because he has no come back to that, and it kills his entire argument.

Please do not speak for me. Europe is different from japan since it was a real battleground for many potential customers, where rband loyalty played a much smaller part then in Japan.

"PS3 outsold the 360 by a significant margin is indisputable."

So 300k is a significant margin. lol k



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Wright on 12 July 2013

The amount of hate in this thread is palpable.