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What does Microsoft need to do to win you back?

Lower the price 41 8.20%
 
Don't make kinect required 47 9.40%
 
GAMES, GAMES and more GAMES 39 7.80%
 
Free online 17 3.40%
 
Offer more free games on live 3 0.60%
 
Other 6 1.20%
 
All of the above 66 13.20%
 
They already won me back :) 52 10.40%
 
They will never win me back 167 33.40%
 
See results 62 12.40%
 
Total:500
J_Allard on 08 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

They had to scrap their intentions or else. End of story. The Xbone's reception was one of the worst receptions ever in the history of gaming (yes wayyyyyyyy worse than the $599 PS3 incident. They managed to beat that.). All of the cards for MS seemed to fall one after the other. Give people their damn console and stop trying to control everything. Stop trying to tell people what the future is unless its affordable and doesn't restrict them. As I said again, when Yusuf from MS was interviewed he played it off like the core gamers opinion on the issue don't matter when they make up the bulk of the early adopters.

That's a cool story and all but the only thing that is relevant is that yes, they did change. And we've already established that. You don't need to explain why they changed. All that matters is they did, and they did so far from being on "the brink of failure". Which means you're wrong. You're only making my point for me.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

Sony never put huge emphasis on the Eyetoy because they saw motion controls as a secondary way to game. They were never happy with sole camera based gaming which they deemed inaccurate, so R&D went to work on the Move in 2004. I am not rambling, you just like to discredit Sony every chance you can get. If I was rambling you wouldn't be writing as much as you are. Stop using Nintendo as a crutch, Nintendo gained the intended market, but Sony put zero marketing muscle behind their motion controls. It blew up in their face when their same essential product was used by Microsoft with major marketing and had a positive public reaction. 

Yes Allard, you're correct, Sony was never the first to majorly start camera motion controls on a major console. I bow down to your bias.

When you provide the source, no one wants any part of it. Its the saddest thing I've ever seen. 

No one is discrediting Sony here. It's not discrediting them to say they didn't start any "camera motion control trend". They also didn't start the online pass trend. Would I be discrediting them to point that out, or just speaking the truth? And how funny that Sony first didn't care much about motion controls and put no marketing or emphasis behind it, and now they "majorly" started it on a "major" console. Your qualifiers to trump Sony up are just adorable. Aren't you the same guy who once said Kinect is a straight rip off of Eyetoy even though it is vastly improved and different technology, but PS3/PS4 integration with Sony handhelds is not a ripoff of what Nintendo did with the GCN and GBA because "the technology is a lot better"? Please do not speak of bias, the ironing is delicious.

All I am saying is Sony didn't start any "trend" with the Eyetoy. You again make my case for me when you talk about how Sony used it as a 2nd tier option and put no marketing or real care behind it. I think you just don't know what a trend is. Hope that helps. Not going to comment on it anymore.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 08 July 2013

@OP: Nothing: I'm already so faithful to working versions of Windows that I'll keep Windows 7 also when I'll do my next major PC upgrade!

Ah, were you talking about consoles? Well, but using Windows only for gaming, and Linux for everything else (and when possible for gaming too), I can consider Windows my customisable, royalty-free on games, free online, fully BC, just a little low-efficiency CONSOLE!!!



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KingdomHeartsFan on 08 July 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
DirtyP2002 said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Release better exclusives than the competition and they already do that, so I am fine.


I'm honestly curious, this is not to pick on you, but what do you see in Microsoft's exclusives, because I don't see much.  Ryse looks like the blandest combat ever, with nothing but quick time events, Killer Instinct is not up to par with current gen fighting games like Injustice and Mortal Kombat.  We don't know much about Quantum Break or Sunset Overdrive so can't say much about those.  Crimson Dragon looks awsome I will give you that.  I don't see anything in Forza 5 that distinguishes it from other racers, and Titanfall is not an exclusive.  With Sony I feel they have announced a balanced line up of exclusives, with a good variety of generes, and they said they still have more to announce, I don't think Mirosoft has anything left.  inFamous Second Son looks so awsome, I loved the first two and  this one looks like a lot of fun, Drive Club has that soial feature so I guess that helps it stand out from other racers, but I'm still waiting to see more from that game.  Always good to see new platformer ips like Knack.  I'm inbetween on Killzone Shadow Fall, it looks amazing graphics wise, but still waiting for it to wow me, and too early to say anything on The Order 1866.


At the end of the day, it is all about taste anyway. So this is IMO.

Ryse looks to have great visuals. The gameplay was dumped down for the E3 show, so it remains to be seen how this might turn out at the end. And I love the setting. I hope they keep it that way. Sure it is fictional, but don't include Dragons or giant enemy crabs in this game. Lions / Tigers in the Colosseum are welcom though.

Dead Rising 3 looks very promising. I played DR1 and thought it was a fun game, but it could be so much better. Now it looks like they really improved the concept.

Halo is the best gaming franchise I have ever played. Period.

Quantum Break is made by Remedy (nuff said) and the combination of a TV series and gaming sounds freaking awesome to me.

Titanfall will be THE multiplayer title of the next gen.

I am not a fan of the racing genre, but Forza looks great. I actually want to give it a shot just for drivatar.

 

So, what has the competition to offer this far?

I dislike Killzone with passion. It has nice visuals, but it is lacking in every other category. Story, Gameplay, controls, level design, multiplayer... For me, Killzone is the perfect example for a generic FPS.

InFamous is meh to me as well. And a 50% collpase of sales for the sequel indicates that I am not alone with that feeling.

Other than that, there are a handful of indie games, I gladly pass.


Its funny that "THE multiplayer title of the next gen" can be played on current gen XD.  Halo being the best gaming franchise, I guess I can understand that, personally I'm kinda sick of Halo, I think this is gonna be the 9th Halo game, I'm just bored of them at this point, but if FPS's are your thing then more power to you.  As far as inFamous 2 sales, all that shows is Sony did a piss poor job marketing the game, that shows nothing about the quality of the game, you look at the review scores for that and it got positive reviews.  As far as you saying Quantum Break will basically instantly be good because its made by Remedy?  Remedy has not put out enough good games to just assume tha every game they put out will be good, we have to wait and see about that.  I don't know how you can dislike Killzone so much, but okay, to me its a pretty good FPS, and Killzone 2 and 3 were received very well and got very high scores.  Also "other than that" there is Drive Club, Knack, The Other 1886 and the other games Sony will reveal at Gamescom.  I highly doubt Microsoft will reveal anything else, or they would have said so.

They did.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/417665/cvg-sources-microsoft-planning-gamescom-press-conference/

 

Knack, Driveclub are probably the most boring looking games for quite some time IMO. I already forgot about those.

Oh okay, my mistake.  I actually really like Knack, it beings me back to the PS2 days of R&C, Jak&Daxter and Sly Cooper, I understand that its not everyone's cup of tea.  I get why you don't like Driveclub since you said your not a fan of racing games, but I think Driveclub and Forza 5 are basically on the same level, I haven't seen either game do anything that really blows me away.  I guess we just have to wait and see what else Sony and Microsoft have up their sleeves. 



sales2099 on 08 July 2013

Gamers are the worst when it comes on standing by principle.

EA games still sell millions of copies game after game, while people keep swearing them off for good. Sure.....

Its all about the games. If that ain't the case, then gamers are just single console owners and they won't take MS back because it isn't their one console for the gen and wouldn't buy it even if they wanted it.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

VGKing on 08 July 2013
Adinnieken said:
mutantclown said:

I only had the original Xbox, so it's been a long time since they had me. They should start by getting more *real* exclusives, make the HDD replaceable. Focus more on games, sell a bundle without Kinect and when it's $200 I'll even consider buying one.

Why make the HDD replaceable?

You have unlimited storage via the Cloud.  So any movies or music you buy (or if you have Windows 8 upload to Xbox Music), and any games you purchase are available via the cloud (except disc-based games).    In addition, you can connect a USB-based HDD for additional storage so if you did need additional storage you could use any standard USB 3.0 external HDD. 

What is the barrier?

LOL.

How about giving people options? Not everyone wants a huge HDD sitting next to their console, the Xbox One is already big enough. Isn't the console designed to blend in? I saw an external HDD would "stick out". PS4 allows people to replace the HDD with a simple laptop hard drive just like PS3. The real question is, why not make the HDD user-replaceable?

@bold
LOL. You are really buying into this cloud thing aren't you? If you buy something on a device, you can redownload it. No need for storing anything on any cloud. It wll still take the same amount of time to download it to your machine.



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Dr.J on 08 July 2013

I've lost confidence in MS. I enjoyed the original Xbox. It was a great piece of hardware: HDD, online capable out of the box, and vastly stronger hardware over the competition of the time. Then, they stepped backwards with the XB360. HDD was not standard, wireless controllers were not standard, and wifi was only possible through a $99 proprietary accessory... instead of giving gamers value, MS stuck it to them. Sony followed suit with the PS3's original offerings as well. Sony seems to have learned a few things since then. Now it seems MS is continuing this downward trend with high price points, and generally not placing games and gamers as the top priority. I know people will disagree with me on this, but I really think Sony nailed it on the head with the PS4: good hardware at a fair price; rather than MS's decent hardware at a bad price. I really hope that MS can turn this thing around, but so far I'm not seeing it. MS's strategy is an entertainment system with lots of expenses for consumers around every corner. I will wait for the 4th generation of Xbox and PS5 before I consider going back to MS at this point.



Dr.J on 08 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Gamers are the worst when it comes on standing by principle.

EA games still sell millions of copies game after game, while people keep swearing them off for good. Sure.....

Its all about the games. If that ain't the case, then gamers are just single console owners and they won't take MS back because it isn't their one console for the gen and wouldn't buy it even if they wanted it.

I havn't purchased an EA game since 2003. There are some of us out there.



RAWDOG81 on 08 July 2013

Xbox one getting possible upgrades before release!!


https://xboxuncut.squarespace.com/microsoft-asking-developers-about-an-increased-gpu-clock-and-an-increase-to-12-gb-of-ram/




Adinnieken on 08 July 2013
VGKing said:
Adinnieken said:
mutantclown said:

I only had the original Xbox, so it's been a long time since they had me. They should start by getting more *real* exclusives, make the HDD replaceable. Focus more on games, sell a bundle without Kinect and when it's $200 I'll even consider buying one.

Why make the HDD replaceable?

You have unlimited storage via the Cloud.  So any movies or music you buy (or if you have Windows 8 upload to Xbox Music), and any games you purchase are available via the cloud (except disc-based games).    In addition, you can connect a USB-based HDD for additional storage so if you did need additional storage you could use any standard USB 3.0 external HDD. 

What is the barrier?

LOL.

How about giving people options? Not everyone wants a huge HDD sitting next to their console, the Xbox One is already big enough. Isn't the console designed to blend in? I saw an external HDD would "stick out". PS4 allows people to replace the HDD with a simple laptop hard drive just like PS3. The real question is, why not make the HDD user-replaceable?

@bold
LOL. You are really buying into this cloud thing aren't you? If you buy something on a device, you can redownload it. No need for storing anything on any cloud. It wll still take the same amount of time to download it to your machine.

I'm going to take a guess and say system security.  By preventing people from upgrading the HDD, Microsoft is able to ensure system integrity.  If they do, with the Xbox One, it won't work.

How is an external HDD not an option?  You CAN buy 2.5" external HDDs, in black no less.  They would be imperceptable in an entertainment center.

No, I haven't paid a single thing.  It's free.  In fact, my music that I've uploaded in Windows 8 is available to me on any computer, Windows 8 Phone, Xbox 360, or Xbox One.  I bought into it long before it was something to be bought into on the console because of my experience with using.  Yes, I like it.

The cloud storage doesn't prevent me from downloading locally, it means I can delete what I don't need or if I want, I have an option to copy that content onto an external HDD.  I can then take that external HDD and connect it to another console.  So instead of lugging an entire console or library of games to my friends house in cases or on the HDD inside my console, I can slip a 2TB HDD filled with all my content into a coat pocket and take it to his house and connect it up to his Xbox One.

OMG!  Microsoft makes life so difficult for me, because I have to use an external HDD for added storage.  Damn, I can take my stuff with me where ever I go.  What am I going to do without lugging around all my discs or console?  Oh dear me.  Oh the humanity.    

 



VGKing on 09 July 2013
RAWDOG81 said:

Xbox one getting possible upgrades before release!!


https://xboxuncut.squarespace.com/microsoft-asking-developers-about-an-increased-gpu-clock-and-an-increase-to-12-gb-of-ram/

Oh so you're the one who made up this rumor. LOL.

You know the "SquareSpace" domain pretty much confirms this is fake.  Nice try though.