I can't believe people are still arguing over Dragon Ball.

WAY OFF TOPIC: You love you some MJ, don'tcha? :) I think he'd find your comment disrespectful.

WAY BACK ON TOPIC: Completely agree. I hate idiot heroes. WHO THE HELL LEAVES THE FATE OF ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE IN THE HANDS OF A COUPLE OF 7-YEAR-OLDS?!?!?! And before that, the dumbass lounged around with his son like a deadbeat weedhead hippie who didn't have a superpowerful bio-android specifically engineered to kill him and his friends.

I feel like DBZ got progressively worse with each new arc and big bad villain. All the periphery fighters got progressively useless, the characters got progressively overpowered to the point to where you wonder how someone doesn't blow up the half the world by farting, and the applied phlebotinum or other new magical plot devices  got progressively more ridiculous to the point of unintentional hilarity (Z Sword? Fusion Dance? WTF?)

It got to the point to where the whole namesake of the show either made you sit and wonder why the cast didn't just keep reusing the dragon balls for everything (like they did at the end of the Frieza/Namek arc) or that the dragon balls were now completely useless because the dragon was far too weak to have any effect on the villains. It became, "Uh-oh, new villain appeared whose even more powerful than the last! Time for everyone to get their ass whipped to buy time for Goku to show up late and get knocked silly with the idiot ball for a dozen episodes before he finally does what the rest of us would have done from the get-go!"

So we shouldn't discuss things that interest us? People are still arguing over the color of Jesus and the moon landing, should they quit already?

I wouldn't mind it.

I don't know what r u saying but after watching anime for the past 23 years more or less DBZ remain my favorite anime of all time & Goku my favorite anime char, have u ever consider what it means to be a Sayan in the first place? I have watch DBZ more than 10 times already probably more & before you spout nonsense about Goku think for a moment the question I ask u.

Sayans as a race love fighting, it's in their genes it's the reason they live to fight every strong opponent they can find & increase their power as much as possible, for a Sayan power have no limits, a small example is that every time a Sayan comes close to die & overcome death gain a gr8 boost in power, other example is that Sayans compare to Earthlings live longer & stay younger in order to fight for as long as possible.

So before u judge Goku because he do what hes genes & his guts told him to do to keep on fighting & become stronger with few words because guess what he is a Sayan & that's what he is supposed to do, take his place & think like u were him & about the ppl who left to die who the fck cares it's not something they cant fix anyway, in the end they always bring every1 back to life or did u loose that part?

howd you like if you were dead for who knows how long, or see your loved ones die right in front of your face? I guess Goku doesn't care about all their suffering, cause he wants to have fun fighting Vegeta, or Androids, or whoever presents him a challange.

Preventing Peoples Suffering < Goku's entertainment

Good thing he doesn't find killing people entertaining, or he'd be exactly like Cell or Freeza or whatever villain in the DBZ series.

The "who the fck cares" part was mine was not Goku's in case u didn't get it, if u seen the anime u have also seen the expresion of Goku's face when his friend's/family or even strangers die in front of him, it's obvious he didn't like it or enjoy it at all in fact every time something like that happen it makes him very ungry, but sometimes he can't save them so he takes comfort thinking that when fighting over will bring every1 back using the dragon balls yep that's what the anime is all about other than awesome fights ofc, about the dragon balls & how some1 can make all his wishes come true if he succeed to gather all 7 even bring back the dead.

I was always a krillin fan myself :P

No you are not right. Goku ended up as a the strongest DBZ character...obviously..because he's the main character. Mystic Gohan couldn't hold his jock strap.

Two things about Goku and Vegeta:

Firstly, have you ever played competitive sports? Especially when you get to high school and upper levels, you'll find a huge discrepancy in ability and talent between people who are naturally gifted and those who aren't as gifted. I know many have personally experienced this; there is always that one guy who seems to always be better than you at the sport, despite him not practicing nearly as much as you. This is how I think it goes between Goku and Vegeta. Goku is simply more gifted than Vegeta, and there is nothing Vegeta can do to surpass his natural gift.

Secondly, when Goku did train, he trained intelligently. A lot of Vegeta's training consisted of him training alone and self-motivating himself. Goku on the other hand almost always trained with OTHERS (whether it be other fighters, or trainers like King Kai). Thus, he was always around competition and he used every sample of competition as a ladder for him to set bench marks and improve. Had Vegeta trained WITH Trunks in the Cell saga for example, I'm CERTAIN that he would've achieved the full-powered Super Saiyan plateau that Goku and Gohan reached. Instead, he chose to train alone which resulted in him plateauing early and not improving as much as he could've.

Vegeta always claimed that it was his pride that kept him going, when in reality it was his pride that held him back from his goal of surpassing Goku.