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It's a cool idea, very well designed and Lenove engineers deserve credit for developing both the hardware and software to make this possible. But I don't really know how many people that works with laptops will need a second screen outside of the office.

But well, I guess there is a market for it if Lenovo dedicated resources developing it.



Please excuse my bad English.

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Pemalite said:
Captain_Yuri said:

- RDNA 3 mobile is looking like low end only? As their top chip that was announced was a 7600M XT and they are comparing it to a 3060, looks like Radeon, least for now, has handed the laptop gaming market to Nvidia. It does explain why we did not see Asus announcing Strix with Radeon. Very unexpected from team Red but could be a situation where RDNA 3 mobile was not ready.

The 7600M XT/7700S and 7600M/7600S looks to be a decent budget friendly mid-range chip, should prove to be a decent part in "cheap" gaming notebooks like the Acer Nitro series.
The 7600M XT/7700S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600XT (288GB/s vs 256GB/s)
The 7600M/7600S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600 (224GB/s vs 256GB/s)
So that is already a good start...

Although Ray Tracing is where things will either make it or break it.

I was at first concerned seeing that the CU count stayed the same between the 6600M and 7600M models, but this larger bandwidth along with architectural changes and lower TDP (6600M is 100W, 7600M is 50-90W) should give them a small boost in performance and a bit bigger boost in battery life.

Speaking of mobile GPUs, did you guys notice that the 4070 and 4060 actually have less SMs and GPU shaders than their 30xx counterparts? This doesn't really bode very well for their later desktop counterparts, which should be the 4060 and below.

The 4070 mobile comes with 36 SM and 4608 Shaders, while the 3070 mobile had 40 and 5120 respectively.

The 4060 mobile comes with 24 SM and 3072 Shaders, while the 3060 mobile had 30 and 3840 respectively.

The 4050 mobile comes with 20 SM and 2560 Shaders, which just matches those of the 3050Ti and is only 4 SM more than the 3050 mobile.

Also, the memory bus is practically halved, being a 128bit bus for the 4070 and 4060 and only 96 bit for the 4050, resulting in very low bandwidths especially for the 4070.



I hope my buddy upgrades to Ryzen 7xx0X3D, so that I can get his 5800X3D for cheap.



Chazore said:

Meanwhile the FTC is so super hung up on MS and letting Sony do what it wants while this is going on:

Indeed its clear the is some kind of price fixing going on. I honestly dont know why the FTC wont look at Nvidia and AMD since pretty much between the two of them they own the gpu market and would be pretty easy for the two of them to come to an agreement on what to charge for their new gpus.

In fact Jen-Hsun Huang is an uncle of Lisa Su. Think about that for a minute.



AMD confirms a small batch of Radeon RX 7900 XTX has vapor chamber issues, company offers replacements

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-a-small-batch-of-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-has-vapor-chamber-issues-company-offers-replacements

We will see if it's actually small or if Scott is continuing to lie as there have been reports of thousands being affected. But least they confirmed that it's an issue and are RMAing the affected GPUs.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070, RTX 4060, RTX 4050 & AMD Radeon RX 7700S Laptop GPU Benchmarks Leak

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-rtx-4060-rtx-4050-amd-radeon-rx-7700s-laptop-gpu-benchmarks-leak/

Not what I would call the best performance but geekbench doesn't generally translate into gaming

Wireless 460 GPU from back in the day. Very interesting



                  

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

The 7600M XT/7700S and 7600M/7600S looks to be a decent budget friendly mid-range chip, should prove to be a decent part in "cheap" gaming notebooks like the Acer Nitro series.
The 7600M XT/7700S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600XT (288GB/s vs 256GB/s)
The 7600M/7600S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600 (224GB/s vs 256GB/s)
So that is already a good start...

Although Ray Tracing is where things will either make it or break it.

I was at first concerned seeing that the CU count stayed the same between the 6600M and 7600M models, but this larger bandwidth along with architectural changes and lower TDP (6600M is 100W, 7600M is 50-90W) should give them a small boost in performance and a bit bigger boost in battery life.

Speaking of mobile GPUs, did you guys notice that the 4070 and 4060 actually have less SMs and GPU shaders than their 30xx counterparts? This doesn't really bode very well for their later desktop counterparts, which should be the 4060 and below.

The 4070 mobile comes with 36 SM and 4608 Shaders, while the 3070 mobile had 40 and 5120 respectively.

The 4060 mobile comes with 24 SM and 3072 Shaders, while the 3060 mobile had 30 and 3840 respectively.

The 4050 mobile comes with 20 SM and 2560 Shaders, which just matches those of the 3050Ti and is only 4 SM more than the 3050 mobile.

Also, the memory bus is practically halved, being a 128bit bus for the 4070 and 4060 and only 96 bit for the 4050, resulting in very low bandwidths especially for the 4070.

While the paper specs do look horrid, comparing cross architectures is pretty pointless which you should know considering how horrid the paper specs was with RDNA 2 compared to Ampere. Lovelace is similar to RDNA 2 where it does do more with less. For example, a 4070 Ti has only 7680 shaders and 192 bit memory bus with a bandwidth of 504.2 GB/s vs 3090 Ti that has 10752 shaders and 384 bit memory bus and a bandwidth of 1,008 GB/s. Yet according to techspot aka hardware unboxed, at 1440p, the 4070 Ti is 4% faster than a 3090 Ti:

But similar to RDNA 2, the bandwidth differences comes into affect as you go up the resolutions where a 3090 Ti is now 4% ahead of the 4070 Ti:

But all of which is to say that comparing paper specs across architectures is pretty pointless, especially as Lovelace has a large L2 cache pool which is something that you are leaving out in your comparisons along with being on a much better node and etc.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 06 January 2023

                  

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JEMC said:

Well, now that the Steam Sale is over, it's time to recap a bit and see how many games I've added to my shamefully long list of still unplayed games (and I won't add the free games from GOG and EGS, because there's no guilt in getting free stuff):

  • Sky Force Reloaded_ gifted by a very generous member of this community. Thank you once again
  • Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition_ mostly for my brother, that has played the HD version for countless hours. And he still hasn't touched it because he had to finish a map first...
  • Cat Quest II_ got the first one, played and liked it, so why not?
  • Euro Truck Simulator 2 Map booster pack_ I already had some, but now I've added the rest of the bunch: Vive la France !, Italia, Beyond the Baltic Sea and Road to the Black Sea. The Iberia one will come once it reaches 50% off.
  • Battle Chasers: Nightwar_ I've wanted to try it for a while, now that i got it, we'll see when I play it.
  • Gears Tactics_ I like Gears and I like XCOM, plus they say it's a good game
  • Homeworld Remastered Collection
  • STAR WARS Jedi: Fallen Order

As you can see, I got the ones you recommended. If I don't like them, I'll blame you for all eternity

Well im pretty confident in Jedi Falling Order so .



Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

While the paper specs do look horrid, comparing cross architectures is pretty pointless which you should know considering how horrid the paper specs was with RDNA 2 compared to Ampere. Lovelace is similar to RDNA 2 where it does do more with less. For example, a 4070 Ti has only 7680 shaders and 192 bit memory bus with a bandwidth of 504.2 GB/s vs 3090 Ti that has 10752 shaders and 384 bit memory bus and a bandwidth of 1,008 GB/s. Yet according to techspot aka hardware unboxed, at 1440p, the 4070 Ti is 4% faster than a 3090 Ti:

40% higher clocks vs. 40% higher core count, though.

The 3090 Ti has more memory to work with at higher resolutions (the bandwidth is exactly the same) but it'll be more prone to Amdahl's law at lower resolutions, so no wonder the results are like that.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Captain_Yuri said:

While the paper specs do look horrid, comparing cross architectures is pretty pointless which you should know considering how horrid the paper specs was with RDNA 2 compared to Ampere. Lovelace is similar to RDNA 2 where it does do more with less. For example, a 4070 Ti has only 7680 shaders and 192 bit memory bus with a bandwidth of 504.2 GB/s vs 3090 Ti that has 10752 shaders and 384 bit memory bus and a bandwidth of 1,008 GB/s. Yet according to techspot aka hardware unboxed, at 1440p, the 4070 Ti is 4% faster than a 3090 Ti:

40% higher clocks vs. 40% higher core count, though.

The 3090 Ti has more memory to work with at higher resolutions (the bandwidth is exactly the same) but it'll be more prone to Amdahl's law at lower resolutions, so no wonder the results are like that.

Correct hence why shader count and bus/bandwidth alone doesn't tell the entire story like what Bofferbrauer2 was trying to do.



                  

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So the 4070ti is on par with 3090ti (either could be faster depending on the resolution, settings  and game). I new that there was a big asterisk that they forgot to include on their slides when they claimed that it was faster.