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Bofferbrauer2 on 04 January 2023

4070Ti review Roundup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-FMPbm5CNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mE5aveN4Bo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKmmugnOEME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDRIzS3sGIU

HU was pretty positive about the GPU, much more than the others, which were pretty much eviscerating the GPU and didn't mince their words - especially GN but also LTT.

Let's see tonight/tomorrow morning what AMD has to offer.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 04 January 2023

The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 04 January 2023

The more reviewers shit on these GPUs, the better. 4080, 4070 Ti, 7900XTX, 7900XT are all turds for their price



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Bofferbrauer2 on 04 January 2023
Captain_Yuri said:

The more reviewers shit on these GPUs, the better. 4080, 4070 Ti, 7900XTX, 7900XT are all turds for their price

I think the 7900XTX is actually okay. Not great for sure, but not a turd either. Just make sure to get a non-reference design.

The other 3 however are all polished turds with some extra raytracing on top to make them extra appealing for uninformed customers.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 04 January 2023

The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 04 January 2023
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The more reviewers shit on these GPUs, the better. 4080, 4070 Ti, 7900XTX, 7900XT are all turds for their price

I think the 7900XTX is actually okay. Not great for sure, but not a turd either. Just make sure to get a non-reference design.

The other 3 however are all polished turds with some extra raytracing on top to make them extra appealing for uninformed customers.

Meh, a 7900XTX class GPU shouldn't be competing against a bebranded 70 class (4080) nor should aggressive UV+OC+500 watts should be needed to unlock its full potential only to still end up being slower than a stock 4090, sometimes massively slower. The only reason 7900XTX is considered to be good is cause the 4080 is such a turd but imo they are both in the same boat when you consider that getting a non reference cooler means the 7900XTX becomes similarly priced to a 4080. 7900XTX just feels less worse off to buy since it is a bit faster. And that's if you ignore all the other issues surrounding it such as bad drivers, high power consumption, VR incompatibility and too many other things to list. Eventually those should be fixed but until they actually do get fixed, it's hard to recommend it to someone spending $1000+ on a GPU just to deal with all these issues.

Like if a person is gonna spend around $1200 for a AIB 7900XTX or 4080... May as well spend a bit more and get a 4090 which doesn't have any of those issues and is very power efficient along with massive RT advantages + Ai advantages + leadership in Raster. As the green goblin says "It Just Works."

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PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Bofferbrauer2 on 04 January 2023
Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I think the 7900XTX is actually okay. Not great for sure, but not a turd either. Just make sure to get a non-reference design.

The other 3 however are all polished turds with some extra raytracing on top to make them extra appealing for uninformed customers.

Meh, a 7900XTX class GPU shouldn't be competing against a bebranded 70 class (4080) nor should aggressive UV+OC+500 watts should be needed to unlock its full potential only to still end up being slower than a stock 4090, sometimes massively slower. The only reason 7900XTX is considered to be good is cause the 4080 is such a turd but imo they are both in the same boat when you consider that getting a non reference cooler means the 7900XTX becomes similarly priced to a 4080. 7900XTX just feels less worse off to buy since it is a bit faster. And that's if you ignore all the other issues surrounding it such as bad drivers, high power consumption, VR incompatibility and too many other things to list. Eventually those should be fixed but until they actually do get fixed, it's hard to recommend it to someone spending $1000+ on a GPU just to deal with all these issues.

Like if a person is gonna spend around $1200 for a AIB 7900XTX or 4080... May as well spend a bit more and get a 4090 which doesn't have any of those issues and is very power efficient along with massive RT advantages + Ai advantages + leadership in Raster. As the green goblin says "It Just Works."

I just checked prices in Europe. The most expensive 7900XTX costs 1400€, the most expensive 4080 a bit over 1500€. Meanwhile the cheapest 4090 sits at 2050€, or about 800€ above the cheapest AIB models of the 7900XTX and 700€ over those of the 4080. That's way more than just a bit and a price premium that is actually making it a worse value per frame than the other two cards right now.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 04 January 2023

The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

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Pemalite on 04 January 2023
Bofferbrauer2 said:

As expected, the H, P and U chips are essentially Alder Lake CPUs with a speed bump, mostly on the turbo side. Considering the generally poor battery life of Alder Lake, I don't have high hopes it would be any better with these.

And those HX CPUs... get a desktop instead! Seriously, at that power draw, any laptop will be more transportable than a real portable machine.

Edit: GN roasting NVidia's CES presentation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9akXjZkITE

I have a desktop with a Ryzen 5950X... I use my laptop as a supplemental device when I am on deployment or training for a week or more at a time.

Captain_Yuri said:

RDNA3 GPUs only capable of 36tflops vs 61tflop marketing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/102veop/rdna3_gpus_only_capable_of_36tflops_vs_61tflop/

Take it with a grain of salt until we see more proof but essentially, while with Nvidia, you don't see the advertised theoretical FP32 gains in gaming, in rendering and such, you generally do see those types of gains. With Radeon, that doesn't seem to be the case, least for now.

Teraflops has always been a hypothetical denominator as it's a function of cores*instructions per clock*clockspeed... And not a measured benchmarked number.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The more reviewers shit on these GPUs, the better. 4080, 4070 Ti, 7900XTX, 7900XT are all turds for their price

I think the 7900XTX is actually okay. Not great for sure, but not a turd either. Just make sure to get a non-reference design.

The other 3 however are all polished turds with some extra raytracing on top to make them extra appealing for uninformed customers.

Even some non-reference designs have had over-heating issues.

I'm wanting to upgrade my GPU, but everything is shit at the moment... Price, reliability or otherwise.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 04 January 2023
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Meh, a 7900XTX class GPU shouldn't be competing against a bebranded 70 class (4080) nor should aggressive UV+OC+500 watts should be needed to unlock its full potential only to still end up being slower than a stock 4090, sometimes massively slower. The only reason 7900XTX is considered to be good is cause the 4080 is such a turd but imo they are both in the same boat when you consider that getting a non reference cooler means the 7900XTX becomes similarly priced to a 4080. 7900XTX just feels less worse off to buy since it is a bit faster. And that's if you ignore all the other issues surrounding it such as bad drivers, high power consumption, VR incompatibility and too many other things to list. Eventually those should be fixed but until they actually do get fixed, it's hard to recommend it to someone spending $1000+ on a GPU just to deal with all these issues.

Like if a person is gonna spend around $1200 for a AIB 7900XTX or 4080... May as well spend a bit more and get a 4090 which doesn't have any of those issues and is very power efficient along with massive RT advantages + Ai advantages + leadership in Raster. As the green goblin says "It Just Works."

I just checked prices in Europe. The most expensive 7900XTX costs 1400€, the most expensive 4080 a bit over 1500€. Meanwhile the cheapest 4090 sits at 2050€, or about 800€ above the cheapest AIB models of the 7900XTX and 700€ over those of the 4080. That's way more than just a bit and a price premium that is actually making it a worse value per frame than the other two cards right now.

Well you can't really look into random retailers with random card prices and assume it's like that everywhere because different regions, different countries, different exchange rates, different retailers etc will mean variance. Hell prices can vary from retailer to retailer in the same city. For example, I can also skew results as well:

7900XTX Reference: 1500€ https://www.otto.de/p/sapphire-rx-7900xtx-mba-edition-24gb-grafikkarte-24-gb-S005U0NJ/#variationId=S005U0NJYIO8

4090 Zotac: 1900€ https://www.pccomponentes.com/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-4090-trinity-oc-24gb-gddr6x?utm_term=productdatafeed&utm_content=34193408279&utm_source=486491&utm_medium=afi&utm_campaign=www.gputracker.eu&awc=20982_1672874230_a063cc1578d42292bf34be4521e7444c

The only real means of comparison are MSRPs set by the GPU manufacturer because thats the only thing that's consistent for a discussion.

PS: I don't speak those languages just in case there's a mistake but the point is that going outside of MSRPs is pointless for a discussion



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

haxxiy on 04 January 2023
Captain_Yuri said:

RDNA3 GPUs only capable of 36tflops vs 61tflop marketing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/102veop/rdna3_gpus_only_capable_of_36tflops_vs_61tflop/

Take it with a grain of salt until we see more proof but essentially, while with Nvidia, you don't see the advertised theoretical FP32 gains in gaming, in rendering and such, you generally do see those types of gains. With Radeon, that doesn't seem to be the case, least for now.


That has always been a poor indicator. For a different reason the same is true for Ampere since almost nothing runs on float alone and the extra FP32 pipeline can't execute instructions along with integer.

For instance, same website, the 3080 has a 163% advantage over the 2080 Super in TFs but scored only 47%-60% more in Fire Strike, 47% in Time Spy, 56% in Superposition.

The only synthetic benchmark that comes close to that 163% number is image processing in Sandra 2020... but then the same gap exists between the Radeon 5000 and the 6000 series. So yeah, poor indicator.



 

 

 

 

 

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 04 January 2023

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series coming February, 16-core Ryzen 9 7950X3D features 144MB cache

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-coming-february-16-core-ryzen-9-7950x3d-features-144mb-cache

Intel ARC desktop GPU roadmap leaks, Alchemist+ in Q3 2023, Battlemage in 2024

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-desktop-gpu-roadmap-leaks-alchemist-in-q3-2023-battlemage-in-2024

Looks like Intel is planning to move up a class with battlemage.



                  

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numberwang on 04 January 2023
Captain_Yuri said:

AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series coming February, 16-core Ryzen 9 7950X3D features 144MB cache

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-series-coming-february-16-core-ryzen-9-7950x3d-features-144mb-cache

The 7800X3d is supposed to have 120W TDP compared to 105W for the 5800X3D. These benchmarks do not look very convincing considering a 14% TDP increase.