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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Not worth watching. He's very chill about the situation. He's like, yea the 4080 12GB is more expensive but you get more performance... He did say it would have been nice to have the prices of 40 series be similar to 30 series but least you get more performance.

Like dude...

Greg Salazar has a nice video about the prices of those cards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrzgZaonmTc

In short, he was relieved that the prices were not the "Doom and Gloom" $2000+ he was fearing, but he still knows that objectively speaking, they are far too expensive and it's a big price hike over last gen even just by going with the 12GB as a benchmark.

On a related note, I wonder what price the 4080Ti and 4090Ti will get next year, because I'm sure NVidia will launch those too later on.

If AMD is competitive in performance (which I expect, at least in rasterization; in Raytracing I expect somewhat better than Ampere but can't keep up with Ada) and keeps the 7800 cards under $800, then is see absolutely no reason to buy a 4080 unless the price drops a good $200. Want more power than those? Get a 4090 if you can afford one, but stay the hell out of the 4080 cards.

Personally, even if RDNA 3 cards ends up being terrible, I still wouldn't recommend people getting the 4080. There's just too much of a price increase for what people are getting. I think a lot of people will be happy getting 3080 12GB or 3080 Ti for $500-$600 and sticking it out for 5000 series or 6000 series. Cause unless the reviews say otherwise, the 4080 12GB is slightly slower than a 3090 Ti for $900. A 3080 Ti is within 5-10% of the 3090 Ti.

So overall, unless you are getting a 4090 or waiting for RDNA 3, buy Ampere or RDNA 2 and spend the money you saved on hookers or something.



                  

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Norion said:

The prices are fucked but at least DLSS is getting increasingly better and the potential of RTX Remix is really cool. The AI stuff gets me excited for the future.

I'll wait for independent reviews to see if DLSS3 is really that much better than DLSS2. Hopefully in some games you can test both on the same card.

I hope for a nice leap. With the prices they need something to at least somewhat justify them.



JEMC said:

If they're so dumb to do that they'll face the same situation: having spent billions in R&D, buying foundry capacity and the pilling up warehouses full of cards only to see them covered in spiderwebs due to lack of demand.

On a more serious note, if both AMD and Nvidia price their cards out of the leage of the mass consumers, the GPU market could shrink a lot, causing both of them to lose insane amounts of money.

Who knows, maybe EVGA decided to exit the market at the right time.

While I and no doubt, some others would never really leave the market if such a thing were to happen, I cannot say the same for those that have spend the past decade, being gimped by both nvidia or AMD in different regions. I certainly don't want to see PC gaming reach this far, only to let 1-2 GPU leaders go mad with greed and then severely cripple the market, that could take years to recover with regained trust/decent pricing. 

After seeing the prices of at least 2 of their cards, yeah, I think EVGA made the right call, they wouldn't be able to sell their own 80/90 cards at even higher prices than Nvidia currently set them as, and trying to sell them cheaper would just mean losing out on any profit, meaning they'd be fucked if they did decide to sell.

I just think nvidia is a case of what happens when you get high end market domination for nearly a decade and a half (I'm talking most wins/sales in general).



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Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

No, thanks. I don't like him. Well, at least, jusding from that pricey remark, he hasn't sold his sould yet.

Not worth watching. He's very chill about the situation. He's like, yea the 4080 12GB is more expensive but you get more performance... He did say it would have been nice to have the prices of 40 series be similar to 30 series but least you get more performance.

Like dude...

let's be brutally real here, jay didn't properly apologise in that supposed "I was wrong" video of his, so seeing him super chlillax about this, while everyone is is rightly shocked/alarmed and being priced out, it makes his situation all too clear; he just doesn't care about his viewers pockets, because he's already well fed.

Man do I miss when Youtubers were literally average joes, not ppl with patreons, ad rev, youtube and merch money combined, it's no wonder he isn't moved by this, because he knows he can easily afford multiple of either card for himself to test out (lot of good that's gonna do reviewing them, when a large chunk of us cannot afford either and won't likely be buying either at all).



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JEMC said:

I really hope this whole price isn't to please shareholders. They only care about the money, not the future of the company and pricing your good out of reach of the bulk of your consumers will do nothing to improve your profits  in the mid and long run.

Also, pricing them high to make Ampere cards appealing is a good way to reduce your stock on 3000 cards, but those that will buy one of them isn't going to buy a 4000 card in the short term. You're trading one sale for another. And with the Ampere cards falling in price, that tactic actually hurts AIB parterns, forcing them to sell at a loss. Not that Nvidia seems to care, but those AIB partners DO care, and will adjust its orders of Ada GPUs accordingly.

And yeah, most of us are very tired of the high GPU prices. The only saving point for Nvidia right now is that consoles are available in such short quantities that people can't quit PC gaming and go to consoles.

Now there's a thought, what if that's Nvidia's goal?.


Think about it, if they force AIB partners to sell the older cards at a loss, that's one less problem for Nvidia to care about, or bring up at board meetings for shareholders (they can legit just tell shareholders that they sold the majority of them and not tell the partners of the AIB's failing in profits), and at the same time, this would allow the AIB's to fall short and give Nvidia the forefront of selling the newer cards, while the AIB's still play catch up, or hesitate to sell their own, that would give Nvidia an insane amount of power and even more leverage to cut out the middle-men. 

That would be absolutely evil as shit to do though, and I hope to god that isn't one of their plans, because if I were an AIB partner, I'd get the fuck outta there if that were to happen. 

personally, even if consoles were made available again, I can never go back to them. I just cannot stand the lacking freedom, the software I currently use, the subscription plans for the crap that's on there (netflix, hulu, all that shit, online gameplay, lack of modding, etc, it all feels so restrictive to me still). 

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Feels like Asus just said fuck you to Nvidia by showing a Radeon card during their 40 series card briefing



                  

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I will now officially end building rigs. PC gaming will become very, very small at those prices. Not like I play much modern stuff anyway.



Captain_Yuri said:

Feels like Asus just said fuck you to Nvidia by showing a Radeon card during their 40 series card briefing

I think now is the perfect time for all other AIB partners to start flaunting off AMD cards, especially with what happened to EVGA, because if Nvidia wants to cut out the middle-man, and with that high MSRP, sell even fewer high end cards, then elt them lie in that bed they've smugly made, they deserve to get backlash from us and the AIB's.

This is exactly why I hate Tim Sweeney for wanting to "cut out the middle-man", by himself becoming the only one. Fuck that shit, the world needs middle-men in a variety of markets/vendors. Having only the supplier and the customer leads to the slippiest of slopes. 



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Random_Matt said:

I will now officially end building rigs. PC gaming will become very, very small at those prices. Not like I play much modern stuff anyway.

I hardly bother with AAA games these days anyway. They are either too expensive for me, too stupidly large in file-size, come with loaded DRM, demand I install another fucking client just to launch them, come with MTX, season pass and battle pass crap, always online shit. AAA's have basically been morphing into the stuff I hate in gaming, and it's why I've largely shifted over to indie games, cheaper, fun and easy to mod, less DRM, no extra launchers needed, etc. 

AAA gaming won't go back to the early 00's days, all the bad practices that make them what they are today are never really going to go away. 

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Chazore said:
Random_Matt said:

I will now officially end building rigs. PC gaming will become very, very small at those prices. Not like I play much modern stuff anyway.

I hardly bother with AAA games these days anyway. They are either too expensive for me, too stupidly large in file-size, come with loaded DRM, demand I install another fucking client just to launch them, come with MTX, season pass and battle pass crap, always online shit. AAA's have basically been morphing into the stuff I hate in gaming, and it's why I've largely shifted over to indie games, cheaper, fun and easy to mod, less DRM, no extra launchers needed, etc. 

AAA gaming won't go back to the early 00's days, all the bad practices that make them what they are today are never really going to go away. 

Same for me, the last AAA I bought were Dragon Age: Origins and Might & Magic X some 10 years ago. I could feel even back then that the industry was moving in a direction that didn't fit well with me in the slightest.

That being said, I still game on a 1050Ti, and it's getting limited even in indies now, so something new must come in. But something like a 3060Ti/RX 6700 would be amply enough for me and wouldn't overtax my power bill or overheat my room.