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hinch said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Why yes, Nvidia, a company that has never missed a two year release cycle will surely miss it now cause "my sources" said so. If he were to use an ounce of logic, he would realize how dumb that statement is. Least he said to take it with a huge amounts of salt but come on.

Its quite sus how hard he's trying to get people to buy new graphics cards right now. And that he's 'helping people'.. There's a flooded market of them in retail channels. And thats not taking into consideration of the used market which is going lower by the day. If you can get a 3000 series rn and are happy then great, otherwise trying to spread FUD about 4000 series availability and 'delay' trying to get people to buy buy buy.. just looks like he's another sellout or just have some bad info from unhappy board partners (probably sources from EVGA/MSI). Not buying it Jay.

And yeah Nvidia is going to be a world of crap if they don't release this year. They can't sit on unsold inventory forever.. demands from board partners or w/e don't have a say.

Pretty much, it really hurts his reputation imo. Like he keeps referencing how great of a value the 3000 series was at launch and due to that, it's still a great value because the performance is the same. But it feels like he is ignoring why the 3000 series was so good and what will make 4000 series also great. A 3060 Ti that had an MSRP of $400 was able to beat a 2080 Super that costed $700. And that's on 8nm Samshat node. 4000 series will be not only be on TSMCs node but a "custom" node made for Nvidia based on 5nm. So it's pretty safe to say that you will get 3080 performance around $400 and crazy performance at $700.

So it's very dumb of him to tell people to not only go out there and buy it but to buy it because it's at MSRP. Like bruh...

JEMC said:

Haven't you heard about the JIUSHARK 2-THREE? It onlñy comes with a 60mm fan!

But yes, Gen 5 drives will be quite hot.

A couple months ago Guru3D did a test with two NVMe drives, Gen 3 and Gen 4 with several heatsinks, and having one for a Gen 4 drive is a necessity:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/guru3d-nvme-thermal-test,1.html

Captain_Yuri said:

"I can't tell you who my NUMEROUS sources are because people would lose their jobs but the RTX 4000s are delayed AT LEAST a year!"

Why yes, Nvidia, a company that has never missed a two year release cycle will surely miss it now cause "my sources" said so. If he were to use an ounce of logic, he would realize how dumb that statement is. Least he said to take it with a huge amounts of salt but come on.

The worst part of his "buy now because they won't launch in a year" argument (I haven't seen the video so I don't know the details), is that, even if true, it's completely flawed. There is also AMD on the market and they will launch their cards.

So you can buy now (when he did the video) some overpriced cards or wait because it doesn't matter what will happen, those cards will get cheaper either because the 4000 series launches and they become "last gen" or because AMD launches their cards and, no matter how big or small their performance jump is, the 3000 series at the actual prices won't be attractive anymore.

He made a big mistake and, instead of admiting it and move on, he doubles down on it, making it worse.

Honestly just feels like next gen PCs will be microwave ovens at that point. CPUs gonna be hotter, GPUs gonna be hotter, RAM gonna be hotter and even SSDs gonna be hotter let alone the wattage increases. I do not envy those that are in warmer climates.

And yea, the entire video is facepalm worthy. Also it looks like both Nvidia and AMD AIBs just filed their registration at the EEC:

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-ada-lovelace-amd-radeon-rx-7000-rdna-3-graphics-cards-get-registered-at-eec/

I think it's pretty damn clear the launch will be happening sooner than later unlike what Jay says.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

"I can't tell you who my NUMEROUS sources are because people would lose their jobs but the RTX 4000s are delayed AT LEAST a year!"

Why yes, Nvidia, a company that has never missed a two year release cycle will surely miss it now cause "my sources" said so. If he were to use an ounce of logic, he would realize how dumb that statement is. Least he said to take it with a huge amounts of salt but come on.

Ever since his last video on the "buy now", I think Jay is digging his heels in at this point, instead of admitting that he's pushing for us to buy Nvidia now instead of letting them suffer the shit they gave us the past 2 years.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Hardware Unboxed either. Ever since that Nvidia squabble they had, they've been relentlessly pushing AMD over Nvidia a lot of the way (yes they've given Nvidia some props, but the message feels personal from their end since that squabble).

Again I'm going to just sit in the corner with GN and Tech Yes (though I do disagree with TY suggesting we buy used, when the market is currently being flooded with mining cards and his most recent vid had him testing to see what card was mined vs what wasn't, and not everyone is going to want to do that, so I believe his advice is moot). 

Last edited by Chazore - on 26 July 2022

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Captain_Yuri said:

JEMC said:

Haven't you heard about the JIUSHARK 2-THREE? It onlñy comes with a 60mm fan!

But yes, Gen 5 drives will be quite hot.

A couple months ago Guru3D did a test with two NVMe drives, Gen 3 and Gen 4 with several heatsinks, and having one for a Gen 4 drive is a necessity:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/guru3d-nvme-thermal-test,1.html

The worst part of his "buy now because they won't launch in a year" argument (I haven't seen the video so I don't know the details), is that, even if true, it's completely flawed. There is also AMD on the market and they will launch their cards.

So you can buy now (when he did the video) some overpriced cards or wait because it doesn't matter what will happen, those cards will get cheaper either because the 4000 series launches and they become "last gen" or because AMD launches their cards and, no matter how big or small their performance jump is, the 3000 series at the actual prices won't be attractive anymore.

He made a big mistake and, instead of admiting it and move on, he doubles down on it, making it worse.

Honestly just feels like next gen PCs will be microwave ovens at that point. CPUs gonna be hotter, GPUs gonna be hotter, RAM gonna be hotter and even SSDs gonna be hotter let alone the wattage increases. I do not envy those that are in warmer climates.

And yea, the entire video is facepalm worthy. Also it looks like both Nvidia and AMD AIBs just filed their registration at the EEC:

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-ada-lovelace-amd-radeon-rx-7000-rdna-3-graphics-cards-get-registered-at-eec/

I think it's pretty damn clear the launch will be happening sooner than later unlike what Jay says.

I don' tthink we'll see Gen 5 SSD drives this year and, when they come out, they'll be crazy expensive. Besides, in most real world tests it's hard to tell apart a good Gen 3 from a good Gen 4 drive so, will it really make sense to go Gen 5 vs going with a higher capacity Gen 4?

It's surprising to see the Super cards mentioned again in the listing, but I don't see what could they be used for this late in the gen.



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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Why yes, Nvidia, a company that has never missed a two year release cycle will surely miss it now cause "my sources" said so. If he were to use an ounce of logic, he would realize how dumb that statement is. Least he said to take it with a huge amounts of salt but come on.

Ever since his last video on the "buy now", I think Jay is digging his heels in at this point, instead of admitting that he's pushing for us to buy Nvidia now instead of letting them suffer the shit they gave us the past 2 years.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Hardware Unboxed either. Ever since that Nvidia squabble they had, they've been relentlessly pushing AMD over Nvidia a lot of the way (yes they've given Nvidia some props, but the message feels personal from their end since that squabble).

Again I'm going to just sit in the corner with GN and Tech Yes (though I do disagree with TY suggesting we buy used, when the market is currently being flooded with mining cards and his most recent vid had him testing to see what card was mined vs what wasn't, and not everyone is going to want to do that, so I believe his advice is moot). 

Yea he kept saying the prices won't go down anymore but even in the past 3 days, the prices have gone down. I think he forgets Pascal days when Nvidia had an influx of GPUs due to the mining crash and you could get a 1080 Ti for like $400 brand new.

And yea, Hardware Unboxed may as well rename themselves to AMDUnboxed. While their data is legit, their opinions are laughably bad when it comes to GPUs and even CPUs to an extent. Ray Tracing doesn't matter despite virtually every new AAA game getting it. DLSS doesn't matter despite it's overwhelming popularity. Even Sony is integrating DLSS into a lot of their new games while ignoring FSR or delaying the integration until after. They don't even talk about how Reflex is supported games allows half the input latency as Radeon. Oh and don't forget Nvenc encoder and such. And the funny thing is, the two games they enable Ray Tracing on, they enable it at the lowest setting so the difference between Nvidia and AMD doesn't seem as wide.

But yea, overall, it's best to see all the data and draw your own conclusions instead of listening to these youtubers. GN has so far did the best reviews when it comes to Nvidia and AMD GPUs. They showed the advantages that AMD has in Raster but they also showed the advantages that Nvidia has in Ray Tracing and DLSS. That's how you should do it.



                  

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JEMC said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Honestly just feels like next gen PCs will be microwave ovens at that point. CPUs gonna be hotter, GPUs gonna be hotter, RAM gonna be hotter and even SSDs gonna be hotter let alone the wattage increases. I do not envy those that are in warmer climates.

And yea, the entire video is facepalm worthy. Also it looks like both Nvidia and AMD AIBs just filed their registration at the EEC:

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-ada-lovelace-amd-radeon-rx-7000-rdna-3-graphics-cards-get-registered-at-eec/

I think it's pretty damn clear the launch will be happening sooner than later unlike what Jay says.

I don' tthink we'll see Gen 5 SSD drives this year and, when they come out, they'll be crazy expensive. Besides, in most real world tests it's hard to tell apart a good Gen 3 from a good Gen 4 drive so, will it really make sense to go Gen 5 vs going with a higher capacity Gen 4?

It's surprising to see the Super cards mentioned again in the listing, but I don't see what could they be used for this late in the gen.

The annoying thing is that SSD manufacturers probably won't increase capacity of Gen 4 SSDs to over 2TB for consumers. Like it's very annoying to see the prices of 4TB and 8TB SSDs being insane prices despite being QVO and the speeds being much slower.  I would rather have a Gen 3 or Gen 4 8TB SSD over Gen 5 2TB SSD anyday of the week but alas. It's probably cheaper to increase the speeds of the controller than to make more nand chips.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

I don' tthink we'll see Gen 5 SSD drives this year and, when they come out, they'll be crazy expensive. Besides, in most real world tests it's hard to tell apart a good Gen 3 from a good Gen 4 drive so, will it really make sense to go Gen 5 vs going with a higher capacity Gen 4?

It's surprising to see the Super cards mentioned again in the listing, but I don't see what could they be used for this late in the gen.

The annoying thing is that SSD manufacturers probably won't increase capacity of Gen 4 SSDs to over 2TB for consumers. Like it's very annoying to see the prices of 4TB and 8TB SSDs being insane prices despite being QVO and the speeds being much slower.  I would rather have a Gen 3 or Gen 4 8TB SSD over Gen 5 2TB SSD anyday of the week but alas. It's probably cheaper to increase the speeds of the controller than to make more nand chips.

It sure is cheaper to make faster drives, but when they're so fast and hot that you have to include a heatsink, and a good one, to avoid troubles, then the advantage disappears.



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AMD teases Ryzen 7000 CPU series annoucement in August

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-teases-ryzen-7000-cpu-series-annoucement-in-august

August 5th at 12AM Taipei Standard Time

I am more so interested in their commitment to AM5. Hopefully it will be at least 3 generations.



                  

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I have my doubts that's when they'll launch, it looks more like the reveal event to tease us all until it finally launches.

Or maybe AMD is scared of Raptor Lake and want to launch ahead to secure some sales.



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Captain_Yuri said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Rumored To Launch In 450W & 600W Variants, Priced Lower Than RTX 3090 Ti

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-450w-600w-tgp-variants-priced-lower-than-rtx-3090-ti-rumor/

Personally I think if they do launch a full fat Titan with 48GB of Vram, it will be no less than $3000 USD. But I don't see a standard 4090 being much more than $1500.

That's already the MSRP for the 3090. I'd say $1800, if not even $2000, could very well be in the books.

I mean, this is NVidia, after all. Just look at the prices for the Titan in previous gens:

Pascal: $1200

Maxwell: $1000

The 4090 was $300 more and not a real Titan

How about the xx80Ti?

Ampere: $1200

Turing: $1000

Pascal: $699

Maxwell: $649 

Unless AMD can put up a lot of pressure, NVidia will increase the prices yet again for sure, and with the inflation, they'll even have a convenient excuse to do so this time around

Captain_Yuri said:

Intel Outside: Apple & AMD Remove All Traces of Intel Hardware From Their M2 MacBook & Rembrandt Laptops

https://wccftech.com/intel-outside-apple-amd-remove-all-traces-of-intel-hardware-from-their-m2-macbook-rembrandt-laptops/

It's interesting what happens when you sleep on your laurels for so long that even Apple got sick of all the nonsense, developed their own CPU/GPU and dumped you. And with AMD continuously increasing in market share in Server, the clock is ticking.

But the long term clock is ticking for Nvidia because if AMD and Intel get their shit together and manage to catch up to Nvidia in the GPU department, then Nvidia won't have much leeway as they don't yet have a CPU in the consumer space. So for Nvidia's sake, they should hope that AMD and Intel will continue to be behind in the GPU space.

NVidia would still be fine, CUDA has made itself a standard for scientific calculations on GPUs, hence why ~98% of server GPUs are from NVidia.

Add to this their Tegra line, and NVidia will do fine even without consumer GPUs.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Rumored To Launch In 450W & 600W Variants, Priced Lower Than RTX 3090 Ti

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-450w-600w-tgp-variants-priced-lower-than-rtx-3090-ti-rumor/

Personally I think if they do launch a full fat Titan with 48GB of Vram, it will be no less than $3000 USD. But I don't see a standard 4090 being much more than $1500.

That's already the MSRP for the 3090. I'd say $1800, if not even $2000, could very well be in the books.

I mean, this is NVidia, after all. Just look at the prices for the Titan in previous gens:

Pascal: $1200

Maxwell: $1000

The 4090 was $300 more and not a real Titan

How about the xx80Ti?

Ampere: $1200

Turing: $1000

Pascal: $699

Maxwell: $649 

Yea but let's not forget the Titan RTX which was $2500 which then makes the 3090s $1500 price tag seem like a discount. And while technically the 2080 Ti had an MSRP of $999, 2080 Ti FE was still $1200 and majority of them was even more. Only like Evga 2080 Ti Black edition managed to hit that MSRP if I remember correctly.

So I don't think it's as simple as they will always increase the price even on their top end models not to say $1800 is an unreasonable prediction either.



                  

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