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hinch said:
Captain_Yuri said:

'Member when we all laughed at Supes for getting 2080Ti. Who's laughing now

I remember when the 3000 series leaks were coming out and I expected the absolute worst pricing due to the way they priced the 2000 series. I was like the 3080 is gonna cost $1200 and etc.

Then when Jensen launched the 3000 series and kept the price the same while giving us massive performance increases, I couldn't believe my eyes. I was like holy crap, we ain't getting screwed! But little did I know the type of nonsense the universe planned for what should have been one of the greatest years in PC gaming.

Like sure, there were stock shortages but that's normal... But when the Crypto nation attacked and then the Tariffs happened... All hope was lost. My joke prices became a reality.

Hopefully 2022 will be the year when PC gaming comes back. We should have Zen 4 and Intel's 10nm CPUs as well as 3 GPU vendors to choose from. Till then though, it's gonna be rough!



                  

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hinch said:

Really do wish manufacturers would try push OLED for monitors. If they made a 35" UW OLED with HDMI 2.1 that would be perfect.

OLED shares the same issue as Plasma for desktops... Displays on PC can sit on a static screen for 10+ hours... And no manufacturer wants to cover that under it's warranty with burn in.

I think we will need to wait for Micro-LED panels to become a thing and ditch LCD/OLED entirely.

TBH. Happy with my VA 144hz 32" panel for the time being. (That and I don't really have much time for gaming these days.)

Pretty much going to stick with my current LCD panels for the next 5+ years until Micro-LED becomes a thing I think, which is the technology that could replace OLED.




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Captain_Yuri said:

Hopefully 2022 will be the year when PC gaming comes back. We should have Zen 4 and Intel's 10nm CPUs as well as 3 GPU vendors to choose from. Till then though, it's gonna be rough!

The fact that we have to talk about 2022 for things to become even bearable, let alone good, says a lot about the situation... I mean, we're still not even a third into 2021, and we're already looking forward to the next year!

I suppose the 'nice' thing is that the prices are so unbearably high that I don't really even get tempted, so while the situation is painful (I have a choice between a quiet GTX 770 and a ridiculously loud GTX 970), there's not much temptation to resist.



Zkuq said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Hopefully 2022 will be the year when PC gaming comes back. We should have Zen 4 and Intel's 10nm CPUs as well as 3 GPU vendors to choose from. Till then though, it's gonna be rough!

The fact that we have to talk about 2022 for things to become even bearable, let alone good, says a lot about the situation... I mean, we're still not even a third into 2021, and we're already looking forward to the next year!

I suppose the 'nice' thing is that the prices are so unbearably high that I don't really even get tempted, so while the situation is painful (I have a choice between a quiet GTX 770 and a ridiculously loud GTX 970), there's not much temptation to resist.

Yea pretty much.

Thanks to the water shortage in Taiwan and Covid still being a thing, it's gonna be a long time before everything balances out as sad as it is. Hopefully no ones GPUs fail until we get over the big hump. Least when the next gen comes along, it really will be the greatest generational leap for many because of the fact that it's so hard to get anything this year loll.



                  

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Seeing SMT III HD costing £55 for the whole kit makes me want to puke, ngl.

Atlus or Sega, one of them or both are being hella greedy with that price. People are already reporting the regional prices in their area for the game, and it's fucking bonkers how fucked some other regions are for this one 20yr old game.

We're even seeing the resident weebs pulling the stupidest shit like "i-if we d-don't buy this game, t-then Atlus w-will leave PC gaming!"

Fuck outta here with that fear mongering shit. It's always the weeb crew on Steam that pull that tactic each and every time there's voiced issues about high prices. 

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Nghhh, there's an RTX 2060 Super available for 400 € (and the seller actually seems to be willing to part with it for 370 €). It's way more than I'm willing to pay for a GPU... but in the current situation, it seems cheap to me - in fact, too cheap. I'm torn, and I think it's legit, but it's still a lot and somewhat suspicious. I think I'll pass and exercise my patience instead (but I'm sure someone will happily take it).



Pemalite said:
hinch said:

Really do wish manufacturers would try push OLED for monitors. If they made a 35" UW OLED with HDMI 2.1 that would be perfect.

OLED shares the same issue as Plasma for desktops... Displays on PC can sit on a static screen for 10+ hours... And no manufacturer wants to cover that under it's warranty with burn in.

I think we will need to wait for Micro-LED panels to become a thing and ditch LCD/OLED entirely.

TBH. Happy with my VA 144hz 32" panel for the time being. (That and I don't really have much time for gaming these days.)

Pretty much going to stick with my current LCD panels for the next 5+ years until Micro-LED becomes a thing I think, which is the technology that could replace OLED.

Yeah OLED needs more TLC. I mean more tech-savvy people can get around it but that does sound like a recipe for disaster for the returns department lol.

Sad that there isn't really anything else to replace VA/IPS panels in the near future. Micro-LED's will take years to go mainstream OLED is the only real logical step up with mass production in mind :/



Here's something interesting that can be used with GPUs dating back to Nvidia's 900 series and AMD 400 series. Nvidia's Null + Reflex vs AMD's Anti Lag + Boost.

TLDW:

Having the highest frame rate in a game increases system latency dramatically in GPU bound scenarios because the CPU is processing frames faster than the GPU can render them which cause the Render Queue to fill up and significantly increase system latency.
Nvidia and AMD came came out with NULL and Anti-Lag at a driver level but that helped decrease system latency only slightly as it's done only at the driver level.
Capping your framerate with a framerate limiter so that the game wouldn't be GPU bound decreased the system latency drastically compared to both NULL and Anti Lag. Previous tests shows 40% difference by using a framerate limiter instead of NULL/Anti Lag. The problem is this requires user tuning each game.

Nvidia and AMD now has new solutions to this problem at an in game level but goes about it in different ways.
Nvidia Reflex which acts a dynamic framerate limiter with no user tuning apart from turning it on. You won't notice much of a difference to the framerate. AMD Boost decreases the Render resolution of the game by up to 50% when it detects your mouse movement in order to increase your frame rate. It can double your framerate while running at half the resolution until the mouse movement stops and then it goes back to the original framerate and resolution. And yes, when you stop moving the mouse or the mouse movement is slow, AMD's solution stops working.

The result is that Nvidia's Reflex decreases system latency drastically while AMD's Boost decreases system latency slightly (but more than just having Anti-Lag enabled) while causing frame pacing issues and rendering at a lower resolution which causes blurring affects and sometimes game crashes. The reason being is that Nvidia's Reflex aims to clear the Render Queue before the next frame gets processed by dynamically adjusting the submission timing of rendering work to the GPU. Where as AMD's solution just increases the framerate but the problem is that... The game can still be GPU bound... Just at a higher framerate which still lowers latency, just not nearly as much.

So while Nvidia Reflex game might be running at 60fps vs AMD's game might be running at 120fps. Because Nvidia Reflex actually makes sure that the Render Queue is clear, you will have a much more responsive game even though it's running only at 60fps. Quite the interesting test!

As an example, in Overwatch (Lower is Better):

Nvidia Reflex: 50ms with Standard Deviation at 59ms to 41ms
AMD Boost: 68ms with Standard Deviation at 86ms to 49ms

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 19 March 2021

                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Zkuq said:

The fact that we have to talk about 2022 for things to become even bearable, let alone good, says a lot about the situation... I mean, we're still not even a third into 2021, and we're already looking forward to the next year!

I suppose the 'nice' thing is that the prices are so unbearably high that I don't really even get tempted, so while the situation is painful (I have a choice between a quiet GTX 770 and a ridiculously loud GTX 970), there's not much temptation to resist.

Yea pretty much.

Thanks to the water shortage in Taiwan and Covid still being a thing, it's gonna be a long time before everything balances out as sad as it is. Hopefully no ones GPUs fail until we get over the big hump. Least when the next gen comes along, it really will be the greatest generational leap for many because of the fact that it's so hard to get anything this year loll.

If my GPU fails... I guess I can always go back to three Radeon 7970's in crossfire... Winter isn't far away in Australia.

hinch said:
Pemalite said:

OLED shares the same issue as Plasma for desktops... Displays on PC can sit on a static screen for 10+ hours... And no manufacturer wants to cover that under it's warranty with burn in.

I think we will need to wait for Micro-LED panels to become a thing and ditch LCD/OLED entirely.

TBH. Happy with my VA 144hz 32" panel for the time being. (That and I don't really have much time for gaming these days.)

Pretty much going to stick with my current LCD panels for the next 5+ years until Micro-LED becomes a thing I think, which is the technology that could replace OLED.

Yeah OLED needs more TLC. I mean more tech-savvy people can get around it but that does sound like a recipe for disaster for the returns department lol.

Sad that there isn't really anything else to replace VA/IPS panels in the near future. Micro-LED's will take years to go mainstream OLED is the only real logical step up with mass production in mind :/

Probably helps that 12-bit HDR isn't a big thing on PC.. Low latency, high refresh rates tend to be what drives monitor purchases and VA is king in that arena right now with some some good enough contrasts.

I am just thankful that TN panels aren't a thing anymore.

Before we get to Micro-LED's we will first transition to LED arrays with backlights that can be turned off in zones, as time goes on we are getting more dimming zones, but once we reach a point where it's extremely dense, then manufacturers will simply just go Micro-LED.



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Captain_Yuri said:
Zkuq said:

The fact that we have to talk about 2022 for things to become even bearable, let alone good, says a lot about the situation... I mean, we're still not even a third into 2021, and we're already looking forward to the next year!

I suppose the 'nice' thing is that the prices are so unbearably high that I don't really even get tempted, so while the situation is painful (I have a choice between a quiet GTX 770 and a ridiculously loud GTX 970), there's not much temptation to resist.

Yea pretty much.

Thanks to the water shortage in Taiwan and Covid still being a thing, it's gonna be a long time before everything balances out as sad as it is. Hopefully no ones GPUs fail until we get over the big hump. Least when the next gen comes along, it really will be the greatest generational leap for many because of the fact that it's so hard to get anything this year loll.

You had to say it, didn't you? Now one of us is jinxed thanks to you .



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