Wait... do you win with a controller over people with wheel? that's crazy man.

Forza uses a wireless protocal created by MS way slower than USB wheels... I do sharp turn with wheel that I can't with controllers.

USB/HID is far way better than XID.

Forza driving is not that good not only because the game physics... there are technical issues with wheel input that break the imersion deu the slow response.

Force Feedback didn't works well with XID.

Maybe, to be honest I almost exclusively race with a wheel too, and if I really wanted to make a good time trial, I think I would do better with a wheel too, but it depends on the circuit. Anything with a 180 degree, 1st gear turn, the controller has a huge advantage.

Also controllers....oh wait. PS3 triggers aren't pressure sensitive are they? I've never played GT5 with a controller, I'm judging all my controller experience with Forza Horizon and such on the 360 (It's annoying to use a wheel when you car is bouncing on a golf course).

So, I assume your body is ready now, isn't it?

Well there you go, that's probably why I'm pretty decent with a controller. I remember the Logitech wheel for PS3, and how GT had sensitivity settings, I was jealous.

Anyway, I will get a PS3 this fall, and I will get GT6, so....I'll see you then *shifty eyes.*

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Also I wouldn't say Forza is a bad sim at all, I have a racing licence, and driven race cars on the track. Both GT5 and Forza do a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong. Different things per game. E.G. I think GT5 models car physics well under braking, but poorly under acceleration. It gives front engine RWD cars too much understeer, but under braking, I think it's pretty much spot on.

Forza Horizon and GT5 are two different racing games. Also while wheels may not be good in Forza in Gran Turismo (and any other racing sim for that matter) they are essential to get good lap times and win races. You can hold you line better, get more precise movement and better throttle/brake response. 

Honestly I hope your exaggerating when you say a controller is better in Forza than a wheel because otherwise I lost all respect for Forza as a racing "sim".

I can't use a wheel in Forza Horizon because it's super annoying, the ground is never flat in that game. When I play Forza Motorsport 2-4, and PGR 3/4 I play exclusively with a wheel. I prefer a wheel, but I'm not sure sure if I'm faster with it. If anything, I think I'm slower. I posted my record times with a wheel, I just don't play Racing SIMs with a controller.

But I hear PS3 wheels are far more responsive, that's definitely one of the setbacks with the 360 wheel. I won't argue if people say that a wheel in GT5 is faster, guess I'll have to buy one when I get a PS3.

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Don't judge Forza, judge the crappy wheels Microsoft used to make for the 360 lol. How much does a Logitec Wheel go for? Any recommendations?

I have a GT Driving Force which I got for around $100 it works well even in iRacing and I'm competitive but most of the really good people use wheels like the G27 and up. I heard theres an adapter where you can use PS3 wheels on the 360 but forget if it worked well. I had Forza 3 back when I had an Xbox but it was before I really got in to racing competitivly so I never tried it with a wheel. 

ethomaz tells me that my 360 wheel, even though it's Microsoft branded, works on the PS3, but then he also says it's a bad wheel so I dunno.

I don't really race competitively, I just know I'm fast. I almost won a PS3 in a GT5 competition, lol. I had the record lap time, but I messed up right at the end on Trail Mountain. Cut the last corner too hard and got a bit of air, and I didn't want to wait in a 20 minute line again...(was at the auto show). Still even backwards, I did rank well I recall, LOL.

I tells you yur 360 wheel works better on PS3 than 360... XID FFD is really bad.

PC and PS3 uses HID FFD.

"PS3 and PCs use HID force feedback mechanisms. The machine calculates the strength and direction of force feedback based on the actions in the game.

 360/older PCs use XID force feedback mechanisms. The machine only calculates what force feedback profile to use based on actions in the game ("Profile 82!"), the wheel then determines the strength and direction based on that profile ("Profile 82? That's 42.6% left and 21.1% right, 0.04s apart!").

Since the machine only does some of the calculation and the wheel does some, it's more machine-efficient - more system resources are available to do other things - but it's also a technology tightly controlled by Microsoft and they will not licence it to Logitech. It also means all wheels - XID or HID - will work on HID devices (PS3/modern PCs), but you're limited to XID only on XID devices, and that means the official MS wheel (which is crap) or the Fanatec Turbo S (which is expensive)."

You are limited in 360 to XID... that's not a wheel issue.

Make a easy test... put your wheel on PS3 or PC not using XID and you see the FFD works in a way you never saw before .