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sales2099 on 27 June 2013
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:

You either leave PS gaming out of principle that you like free MP over paywalls......or you change your mind and stance because you don't want to leave Sony.

It speaks for itself. This is a proper generalization if there ever was one. It is now part of your culture, you shouldn't sweep it under thr rug and dismiss it to "only a few". like cmon

I will take your word that a few "people" do have double standards. 

But I will not take your word that the vast majority of Sony fans on here has double standards. 

Just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. I need proof.

You are not a lawyer and this aint no court. Were (or at least I am) dealing in common sense and that is that few PS gamers would prefer Live fees over a free PSN pre E3 2013. In that regard, there is no need to find proof. It is just known.

Your line just strikes me as a last-line-of-defense crutch



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Jay520 on 27 June 2013
happydolphin said:

1. What can I say, I was so convinced I knew it would come. Color me unsurprised.

2. (A) and (B) I've already answered, read the thread.

Jay520 said:

Last time I checked it was against the rules to insult an entire fanbase. Maybe I should check again.

3. Perhaps you should realize that "Get real" meant "saying someone is using double-standards is not an insult".


1. I don't care what you knew. The post wasn't made yet. You're speaking about a problem which didn't occur yet, which is senseless, no matter how likely it is to occur.

2. I read the thread. You just gave an interpretation which made no sense at all. He said the price was impressive. Impressive =/= acceptable. It's not rocket science. 

3. I was talking about Sales's post.



Jay520 on 27 June 2013
sales2099 said:

You are not a lawyer and this aint no court. Were (or at least I am) dealing in common sense and that is that few PS gamers would prefer Live fees over a free PSN pre E3 2013. In that regard, there is no need to find proof. It is just known.

Your line just strikes me as a last-line-of-defense crutch


So you have no proof?

I say you're wrong. It's my word against yours.



arcane_chaos on 27 June 2013

I think it's required so they can make a quiker profit off the PS4; it's technically $450 for those who don't already have a PS+ subscription and are looking ofrward to playing online



happydolphin on 27 June 2013
Jay520 said:
happydolphin said:

1. What can I say, I was so convinced I knew it would come. Color me unsurprised.

2. (A) and (B) I've already answered, read the thread.

Jay520 said:

Last time I checked it was against the rules to insult an entire fanbase. Maybe I should check again.

3. Perhaps you should realize that "Get real" meant "saying someone is using double-standards is not an insult".


1. I don't care what you knew. The post wasn't made yet. You're speaking about a problem which didn't occur yet, which senseless.

2. I read the thread. You just gave an interpretation which made no sense at all. He said the price was impressive. Impressive =/= acceptable. It's not rocket science. 

3. I was talking about Sales's post.

1. And I don't care that you don't care, basically your opinion doesn't matter because I was right. I predicted and it happened. You're accusing me of speaking presumptuously, and it happened, so you're wrong. That's the bottom line.

2. I've explained it. I was not expecting to see ANY positive here, but at best a post like Runa's which is fair an balanced, e.g. "I like PS+ so it's okay for me, but I don't pretend to justify it."

3. I know, so was I.



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yum123 on 27 June 2013
happydolphin said:
I can't stand the double-standards. People here will accept it, after Live took the heat for years over its subscription model.

bullshit, live doesnt give you multiple big title free games each month. its simply a paywall nothing more which is why it got so much heat.



Shinobi-san on 27 June 2013
Torillian said:
vaio said:
JayWood2010 said:
vaio said:
JayWood2010 said:


What he said is not bannable.  It is his opinion that may or may not be true with many fans on this website.  NOt the entire fanbase, but many.

negative opinions about sony and ps has and will continue to cause bans.

only a moron would actually think that it means the whole fanbase.


He never said anything about the entire fanbase.  He said he cant stand the double standards.  He says nothing else.


that responce was to your last line- Anyone that thinks he meant the entire fanbase is a moron.

anyway it would be really interesting to know how many reports that post got.


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And I disagree, unless you call out specific people with actual proof it's one of the stupidest things you can say.  Of course he isn't saying it's true for 100% of the fanbase because he could be proven wrong with no effort at all.  But to say it's true of "people" without providing a lick of proof has no meaning and doesn't help the discussion in any way.  It's acceptable(ish) spam that we don't punish officially but I will admonish whenever I see it.  


I reported HappyD's post Torillian....and I 100% agree with what you said. Funny enough i also dont think its bannable. But i think the agenda that Happy D came into the thread with is.



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happydolphin on 27 June 2013
yum123 said:
happydolphin said:
I can't stand the double-standards. People here will accept it, after Live took the heat for years over its subscription model.

bullshit, live doesnt give you multiple big title free games each month. its simply a paywall nothing more which is why it got so much heat.

Already answered that. See Runa's post for someone who makes sense.



happydolphin on 27 June 2013
Shinobi-san said:

I reported HappyD's post Torillian....and I 100% agree with what you said. Funny enough i also dont think its bannable. But i think the agenda that Happy D came into the thread with is.

Yes, as I've already stated. I call things as they are. You reported my post but you don't think it's bannable?

Think for a second how smart that sounds.

Also, thanks Tor for saying 0 people reported when Shinobi admitted to. Real awesome stuff.



sales2099 on 27 June 2013
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:

You are not a lawyer and this aint no court. Were (or at least I am) dealing in common sense and that is that few PS gamers would prefer Live fees over a free PSN pre E3 2013. In that regard, there is no need to find proof. It is just known.

Your line just strikes me as a last-line-of-defense crutch


So you have no proof?

I say you're wrong. It's my word against yours.

Your ignorance is interesting to say the least. I thought you were better then this. Turning a blind eye to your own peoples history like that for the sake of appearances in modern times.

Most PS gamers would pick a free PSN over a paid Xbox Live. Common sense + my word > your word.



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