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MoHasanie on 25 June 2013

I agree, however its only the casual gamers who think its not a new console. A core Nintendo gamer would know its a new console and those are the people Nintendo is targeting in the first year.



    

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TheLastStarFighter on 25 June 2013
RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

So do you think motion controls, generally speaking, add to the gameplay experience?

About the gamepad, why don't u use it? Do you have one of those hardcore controllers instead?

What do u mean "can't download and install things at the same time", is that important to you or are you just ironic?

Motion controls can improve the experience for certain types of games, but they are only one function of the Wiimote/Nunchuk configuration. The IR pointer improves pretty much every game that contains aiming and shooting. Even without using motion controls and the IR pointer, it's a very good controller. There was no good reason to ditch it as the standard controller.

I play games with the controller that works best and that usually isn't the Gamepad. The same goes for the "hardcore controller" which is basically just a Gamepad without a screen.

And yes, it's important to me that a console doesn't remind me of a filthy PC. It always pisses me off that I have to go through a 5-10 minutes long install after a 15-20 minutes long download. If I am downloading something, then I have obviously already made the decision that I will use said something. No need to separate the download and install.

I agree that they should have taken the SNES to NES approach with Wii U.  A refined Wii Remote would have been the way to go.  A second Analogue stick incorporated in some way, perhaps a more rounded appearance with a couple extra buttons.  Add the "8th" axis that the Gamepad has which orientates itself to the center of the earth (the Gamepad has outstanding gyro).

Then launch with a really upgraded Wii Sports 3, use the money saved on the Gamepad to up the power just a little more, and have all the titles ready to go a few months earlier.  Would have been a much better approach.



TheLastStarFighter on 25 June 2013
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...


I think the flaw in what your saying is that you think core gamers didn't want Wii Sports.  I'm a core gamer.  I wanted Wii Sports.  If you look at sofware sales, the bulk of the Wii user base is in people buying Wii Sports, MarioKart and NSMBWii.  Mario Galaxy, Smash Brothers and Zelda TP are also big titles.  Even Wii Fit was enjoyed by people who also liked to play some Kart and Mario.  These aren't nana and papa.  They are real gamers...maybe not the COD crowd, but real gamers nonetheless.  What Nintendo has really nailed with the Wii-series, NSMB, Kart and Animal Crossing, is the female core demographic.  That is what seperates Wii from so many other consoles on the market in terms of sales.  Wii sales are dying now because it lived its normal lifespan.  It's sales curve is almost identical to every market leader, such as PS1.  PS360 continue because they were over-engineered, and as people bought HDTV's they upgraded from Wii to PS360.  Almost like gen 7.5.  Their console lives were abnormally slow to start and end.



TheLastStarFighter on 25 June 2013
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...

Your perception is shared by many hardcore gamers but isn't reality.  The vast majority of Wii buyers weren't grandparents or stay-at-home moms playing Wii bowling or weighing themselves.  The single largest chunk of Wii buyers were the mainstream.  They were families, adults, children, people who like new things.  The people that made it a massive seller are people who saw the motion controls, like Nintendo franchises, wanted something new and the price was right.  These are people that in the past probably bought mainstream hits like GTA, probably bought Guitar Hero, obviously bought Wii Sports and many probably love COD right now.  They are not tech heads, but they know what a Wii is.  They're not idiots.  And they did buy upwards of 10 games per console, not the Wii Sports and Fit and that's it that detractors like to say.

The problem is that Nintendo hasn't given this mainstream a reason to buy Wii U.  Some may not be fully aware that Wii U is actually Wii 2.  But moreso is the problem that they don't care.  Nothing about Wii U has been exciting enough to make them want it yet.  The advertising was bad and the "coolest" exclusive was Zombie U.  They may also have bought a PS360 when the price came down and they picked up an HDTV, relegating the Wii brand to second place in the home.  Wii U needs games and promotion that tell the mass market it's worth their time.


i think software sales says otherwise

Which software sales?



oniyide on 25 June 2013
RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:
RolStoppable said:
Nintendo's biggest mistake with the Wii U is that it isn't an evolution of the Wii, instead it's Nintendo's braindead solution to a point of view that saw the Wii as a problem.

U fink they should have kept motion controls lol?

Improved Wiimote/Nunchuk, yes.

It's a pretty useless console as it is. I don't use the Gamepad for NSMBU and NSLU, I won't use it for Pikmin 3, DKC:TF and SM3DW. So the main benefit of the Wii U is better graphics which is as underwhelming as it can get. All those games might as well have been on the Wii, that way I wouldn't need to own a rubbish console that can't download and install things at the same time.

doesnt it use the wiimote+ which was improved? Should they have made an even newer one?

Its interesting that you bought the console anyway, despite how rubbish it is.



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oniyide on 25 June 2013
Aielyn said:
disolitude said:

The biggest mistake Nintendo made with WiiU is tying it to the the Wii in terms of branding.

I'm going to stop you right there. The vast majority of consumers are not stupid. If they think that the Wii U is an add-on to the Wii, then that's a fault on Nintendo's part in failing to correctly market the system, but it isn't because of the name. Consumers don't see "Wii U" and go "oh, that's an add-on for the Wii?" and keep walking past.

Unfortunately, gamers who spend a lot of time on the internet have a tendency to think themselves smart and the "mainstream market" to be stupid. This is very much a wrong impression. Even as gamers call out games like Just Dance as "casual crap", the mainstream have been very particular about which games they will play, very selective. Far moreso than gamers, as demonstrated, for instance, by the fact that Haze sold nearly a million copies, while No More Heroes on the PS3 sat at around 150,000 copies sold.

i was on board for most of this post until the weird game comparison, I think people are harping on this Wii U confusion because that is much easier than to simply accept the fact that people just dont care. I think some people dont understand but most of those people arent in the market for a game console anyway. 

Dont know what Haze and NMH have to do with anything. Wouldnt those games prove the opposite of what you are saying, since neither of them came close to JD numbers? NMHs sold like that on PS3 because 1 it was a late port on a system with a much smaller install base of a game that IMHO wasnt that good to begin with and 2 there are MUCH better options for that type of game on PS3 anyway.



oniyide on 25 June 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...

Your perception is shared by many hardcore gamers but isn't reality.  The vast majority of Wii buyers weren't grandparents or stay-at-home moms playing Wii bowling or weighing themselves.  The single largest chunk of Wii buyers were the mainstream.  They were families, adults, children, people who like new things.  The people that made it a massive seller are people who saw the motion controls, like Nintendo franchises, wanted something new and the price was right.  These are people that in the past probably bought mainstream hits like GTA, probably bought Guitar Hero, obviously bought Wii Sports and many probably love COD right now.  They are not tech heads, but they know what a Wii is.  They're not idiots.  And they did buy upwards of 10 games per console, not the Wii Sports and Fit and that's it that detractors like to say.

The problem is that Nintendo hasn't given this mainstream a reason to buy Wii U.  Some may not be fully aware that Wii U is actually Wii 2.  But moreso is the problem that they don't care.  Nothing about Wii U has been exciting enough to make them want it yet.  The advertising was bad and the "coolest" exclusive was Zombie U.  They may also have bought a PS360 when the price came down and they picked up an HDTV, relegating the Wii brand to second place in the home.  Wii U needs games and promotion that tell the mass market it's worth their time.


i think software sales says otherwise

Which software sales?

the WIi series was the most popular series bar none on that system. Who do you think that appeals to the most? Mario Kart Wii did real well, but IMHO a part of its massive success because it was easier to get into than the prior ones. ANd just about every other Ninty franchise sold the usualy (Zelda, 3d Mario)

3rd party games, which were the best selling ones? your dance and your music games, agan who does that appeal to the most?

All im saying is look at what sells on HDs in contrast to what sells on WIi, there is a big difference.



Aielyn on 25 June 2013
oniyide said:
Dont know what Haze and NMH have to do with anything. Wouldnt those games prove the opposite of what you are saying, since neither of them came close to JD numbers? NMHs sold like that on PS3 because 1 it was a late port on a system with a much smaller install base of a game that IMHO wasnt that good to begin with and 2 there are MUCH better options for that type of game on PS3 anyway.

The comparison is intended to say that, if people chose games based on quality, NMH would have easily outsold Haze (even after factoring in the late port factor). But Haze sold about 7 times as many copies as NMH. It wasn't intended to suggest that either game should have sold particularly well, or anything like that, but that relative sales show that so-called "hardcore gamers" are rather poor judges of games, when it comes down to it, on average.



TheLastStarFighter on 25 June 2013
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...

Your perception is shared by many hardcore gamers but isn't reality.  The vast majority of Wii buyers weren't grandparents or stay-at-home moms playing Wii bowling or weighing themselves.  The single largest chunk of Wii buyers were the mainstream.  They were families, adults, children, people who like new things.  The people that made it a massive seller are people who saw the motion controls, like Nintendo franchises, wanted something new and the price was right.  These are people that in the past probably bought mainstream hits like GTA, probably bought Guitar Hero, obviously bought Wii Sports and many probably love COD right now.  They are not tech heads, but they know what a Wii is.  They're not idiots.  And they did buy upwards of 10 games per console, not the Wii Sports and Fit and that's it that detractors like to say.

The problem is that Nintendo hasn't given this mainstream a reason to buy Wii U.  Some may not be fully aware that Wii U is actually Wii 2.  But moreso is the problem that they don't care.  Nothing about Wii U has been exciting enough to make them want it yet.  The advertising was bad and the "coolest" exclusive was Zombie U.  They may also have bought a PS360 when the price came down and they picked up an HDTV, relegating the Wii brand to second place in the home.  Wii U needs games and promotion that tell the mass market it's worth their time.


i think software sales says otherwise

Which software sales?

the WIi series was the most popular series bar none on that system. Who do you think that appeals to the most? Mario Kart Wii did real well, but IMHO a part of its massive success because it was easier to get into than the prior ones. ANd just about every other Ninty franchise sold the usualy (Zelda, 3d Mario)

3rd party games, which were the best selling ones? your dance and your music games, agan who does that appeal to the most?

All im saying is look at what sells on HDs in contrast to what sells on WIi, there is a big difference.

Not really.  Wii SPorts was popular and it appealed to everyone, including me and every other core gamer I know when it debuted.  After that, Mariokart and NSMBU were the biggest titles, and they are mainstream gamer titles.  They sold 30 million.  30.  The biggest chunk of gamers on the system are gamers.  Games like Galaxy, Twilight Princess and Brawl did massive numbers too.  Far better than the Uncharteds or Metal Gears of the world.

No, your perception is flawed.  The big titles of the gen are WiiSPorts, WiiFit, NSMB, MK, COD and GTA.  These are the mass market titles.  After that the large "Core" titles like MarioG, Zelda, Halo, SSB and GT did very well.  But the core titles did as well or better on Wii as on other systems.  Beyond these titles you get into FIFA or Just Dance as big sellers, but I would hardly call FIFA a core title.



ktay95 on 25 June 2013

my experience. family comes over and asks about the gamepad, i say its my WiiU. so it works with the Wii they ask. no its a brand new console. oh thats cool but i already have Mario, Wii Sports, Just Dance etc. so i dont need one then... good luck selling your console to those who are happy with the Wii. tbh i could've sold more WiiUs if it simply was a new controller. the casual Wii market just dont have a reason to move on from this gen