You forgot to add Xbox Live Golds existence to Microsofts list of woes (which forced Sony to create an alternative), Activision convincing them to increase the price of Xbox Live annually, always taking the side of third parties over the consumer in any matter, and threatening Gamestops profits by trying to dip their hand into the second hand market which legally they have zero right to. Oh yeah...you forgot the best of all....Microsoft risked the quality of all launch 360's by trying to beat Sony to the punch. Thats definitely thinking about your consumers. :)

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Live is not a woe and it's adorable the way you blame MS for Sony dipping their hands in the pay to play online model. It's funny, Nintendo is the market leader and yet they aren't being "forced" into creating an alternative. Sony sees a potential revenue stream, they are using it to make money. It's just that simple.

Activision isn't the only company that gets a cut of XBL subscriptions, and you've no way of knowing what all went into them hiking up the price of XBL. What, do you have more video game insight from Michael Bay on this one? LOL

Not even sure what you mean by "always taking sides of 3rd parties" but please do explain because I am sure it will be entertaining to read. And how was MS dipping their hands into GS profits? MS wasn't making a penny off used game sales on Xbone, it was between the publisher and retailers. Funny, Sony has actually done more of the whole "cutting into GS profits" with their PSN Pass than MS ever did yet I am sure you're somehow ok with that.

RROD most definitely belongs on the list of MS woes. Though, they repair them for free, so maybe that's why he didn't include it. But you bringing that up reminds us of another Sony woe: YLOD. Thanks!

I seem to be a little late on this, having been using my laptop which doesn't show the VGChartz Buddy properly. That said, the thing is that Sony seems to think it won't be an issue and to be honest, how many complaints about online play have you seen thus far? I haven't seen very many, which definitely hints at gamers not being too unhappy about it. Personally I'm not happy with it but that's just my opinion and unlike MS, Sony's subcription model doesn't scream 'MILKING!!!' all the time because online play is pretty much the only thing Sony has behind a pay wall. MS has a lot more.

First of all you're changing the subject. The fact is Sony is charging for online play to because they see MS making a fuck ton of money on Live and want in on that. Sony made a pretty big decision based on profit, not making consumers happy.

I said for years that Sony will eventually charge for online play and that's when the complaints about Xbox Live fees will stop. It will become a discussion of which service is the better value.

You're right, not many people complaining because their favorite company is now doing it. The people who said free online play should be included with the purchase of the game are mostly silent. Funny how that works.

This is really a no-brainer. Had the PS3 come out with charging for online play, there would have been no competition. Overpriced, underdelivering in games at launch, and also paying for online would have been certain death. They survived by a free online cookie (what cost them tons of money over the years). It was pretty obvious the next console would no longer be free online right from the start.

And to get back to the topic. No, the XBox One is not overpriced, it is actually much cheaper than the PS4 given the Kinect2 hardware (which in my books is at least a $200 device).

I'm not changing the subject. My point is that customers aren't complaining so they aren't too unhappy, either. That is, Sony isn't making their customers too unhappy so they're evaluation cost vs. customer happiness and in their eyes, they don't lose too much consumer happiness by making online play require a subscription. If it caused too much consumer unhappiness, I doubt they'd do it. Well, in the current financial situation they actually might. Either way, Sony's subscription holds much more value than MS's, and customers won't feel as unhappy.

Have you even wondered why Sony is people's favorite over MS? People have their reasons, you know, they don't just randomly decide to like a company just like that.

Once again, not staying on topic.

You're avoiding the simple fact Sony made a decision based on profit. Not pleasing its customers. Sony fans pissed and moaned about Xbox Live being a pay service. Now all of sudden Sony fans don't seem to mind. That clearly says something.

Sony is peoples favorite when the price is right. We saw there wasn't much loyalty for a high price Sony console.

I am staying on topic, it's just that either you're ignoring what I said in my first post or I didn't express myself clearly. I'm guessing it's the latter. What I meant is that both MS and Sony are trying to do business and make profit (as much as possible) but their approaches are different. Sony favors pleasing their customers when it's clearly not the 'bad' way to go because they think that how they'll make profit, MS favors maximizing profit at every turn where it's clearly not the 'bad' way to go. Now Sony's investing more heavily in their online service and they feel they need to make more money from it, and they thought putting online play behind the pay wall wouldn't make their customers too unhappy. So yeah, they did it to make more profit but they most definitely considered it the smallest 'evil'.

Also, your comparison of Sony fans and MS fans isn't entirely correct. MS has a long history of not treating their customers that nicely, Sony doesn't. Which company do you think is going to get more forgiveness from consumers? You can't just ignore those factors, they definitely affect people's preferences.