By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Will the PS4 represent 50% better performance than the X1

sales2099 said:
lol no. On paper rarely translates to realistic application, at least for years.

Were looking at another gen of 360/PS3 graphical difference, no matter what the Dance Dance Revolution 5 gamers say.


I'm pretty sure if XboxOne was 50% more powerful on paper you wouldn't be saying this. 



Around the Network
Daisuke72 said:
sales2099 said:
lol no. On paper rarely translates to realistic application, at least for years.

Were looking at another gen of 360/PS3 graphical difference, no matter what the Dance Dance Revolution 5 gamers say.


I'm pretty sure if XboxOne was 50% more powerful on paper you wouldn't be saying this. 

Id say it would be 360/PS3 graphics gap, but with X1 getting the slight edge instead.

I have no illusions about this as 3rd party developers will just take the easy route and make them equal. Exclusives are another story.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
Daisuke72 said:
sales2099 said:
lol no. On paper rarely translates to realistic application, at least for years.

Were looking at another gen of 360/PS3 graphical difference, no matter what the Dance Dance Revolution 5 gamers say.


I'm pretty sure if XboxOne was 50% more powerful on paper you wouldn't be saying this. 

Id say it would be 360/PS3 graphics gap, but with X1 getting the slight edge instead.

I have no illusions about this as 3rd party developers will just take the easy route and make them equal. Exclusives are another story.


On paper the PS3 had a weaker GPU with a much stronger CPU, that didn't result in a 50% graphical difference, the PS3's best games barely look better than Halo 4, which is the Xbox 360s best game, in my opinion.

 

So seeing as the gap is wider this generation, and going by exclusives, wouldn't that mean PS4 exclusives will look much better than Xbox's compared to current gen because the gap is wider? And if that's the case, why did you say the difference will be the same as current gen when most multiplats indeed ran better on Xbox due to technical reasons?



Daisuke72 said:
sales2099 said:
Daisuke72 said:
sales2099 said:
lol no. On paper rarely translates to realistic application, at least for years.

Were looking at another gen of 360/PS3 graphical difference, no matter what the Dance Dance Revolution 5 gamers say.


I'm pretty sure if XboxOne was 50% more powerful on paper you wouldn't be saying this. 

Id say it would be 360/PS3 graphics gap, but with X1 getting the slight edge instead.

I have no illusions about this as 3rd party developers will just take the easy route and make them equal. Exclusives are another story.


On paper the PS3 had a weaker GPU with a much stronger CPU, that didn't result in a 50% graphical difference, the PS3's best games barely look better than Halo 4, which is the Xbox 360s best game, in my opinion.

 

So seeing as the gap is wider this generation, and going by exclusives, wouldn't that mean PS4 exclusives will look much better than Xbox's compared to current gen because the gap is wider? And if that's the case, why did you say the difference will be the same as current gen when most multiplats indeed ran better on Xbox due to technical reasons?

Given the graphical leap compared to last gen, graphics gaps will be very hard to spot now. The only differences well find is Frames per second and resolutions. Polygon counts is just feutile to argue about at this point.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Dmick90 said:
Pemalite said:
Dmick90 said:

Misinformed about what? The fact that the Xbox will have access to an infinite amount of power from the cloud is not opinion, that's fact. You don't even know what the power of the cloud can do.

The PS4 will be obsolete in about 2 years when PC specs surpass it again, while the Xbox will continue to get more and more powerful. Come back to me when you can show me a game that looks better on PS4, until then shut your mouth.

 

I'm just saying there's no need to fuss over hardware specs anymore when Microsoft and even Sony eventually are gonna move towards an all digital, cloud computing future sooner or later. The third party games are gonna look the same. The games on Xbox One like Forza already look amazing. Yeah the PS4 might be better theoretically on paper, but anything the PS4 is capable of, the Xbox can do just the same or better.

No.. just no... please stop. I mean an *infinite* amount of power. Do you even know what the term infinite means.

You do know that Sony can use the "Cloud" as well right? 

The cloud is great for online games/MMO's, but it *wont* in any shape or form improve the performance of single player experiences. It would allow (just like Diablo) to perhaps include new gameplay experiences - such as you can make changes server side to loot drops, and automatically when players connect they get this newly configured data. So from that point of view it could be useful... but it will not change the performance of hardware.



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

Around the Network
Madword said:
Dmick90 said:
Pemalite said:
Dmick90 said:

Misinformed about what? The fact that the Xbox will have access to an infinite amount of power from the cloud is not opinion, that's fact. You don't even know what the power of the cloud can do.

The PS4 will be obsolete in about 2 years when PC specs surpass it again, while the Xbox will continue to get more and more powerful. Come back to me when you can show me a game that looks better on PS4, until then shut your mouth.

 

I'm just saying there's no need to fuss over hardware specs anymore when Microsoft and even Sony eventually are gonna move towards an all digital, cloud computing future sooner or later. The third party games are gonna look the same. The games on Xbox One like Forza already look amazing. Yeah the PS4 might be better theoretically on paper, but anything the PS4 is capable of, the Xbox can do just the same or better.

No.. just no... please stop. I mean an *infinite* amount of power. Do you even know what the term infinite means.

You do know that Sony can use the "Cloud" as well right? 

The cloud is great for online games/MMO's, but it *wont* in any shape or form improve the performance of single player experiences. It would allow (just like Diablo) to perhaps include new gameplay experiences - such as you can make changes server side to loot drops, and automatically when players connect they get this newly configured data. So from that point of view it could be useful... but it will not change the performance of hardware.

The term cloud is misunderstood. Cloud just means servers available online. 

Its what is set up for those servers to do that is the differnce.

Sony don have servers set up for processing data to enhanc a machine. Thereservers are used for playing PS3 titles on PS4. As in completely rendered in thecloudand streamed to play like Steam can do.

Microsofts Cloud is set up for processing data and sending that back to th machine, freeing up memory ad CPU tasks. Things like AI, Physics etc. Not necessarily display processes. But that still means Microsoft has more local memory on the console to use for Graphics. Etc.

Theres a great article Im just trying to find that shows just what Cloud means for Sony/Microsoft.

But cloud is just that. Servers.  



Multimedialover said:
Madword said:
Dmick90 said:
Pemalite said:
Dmick90 said:

Misinformed about what? The fact that the Xbox will have access to an infinite amount of power from the cloud is not opinion, that's fact. You don't even know what the power of the cloud can do.

The PS4 will be obsolete in about 2 years when PC specs surpass it again, while the Xbox will continue to get more and more powerful. Come back to me when you can show me a game that looks better on PS4, until then shut your mouth.

 

I'm just saying there's no need to fuss over hardware specs anymore when Microsoft and even Sony eventually are gonna move towards an all digital, cloud computing future sooner or later. The third party games are gonna look the same. The games on Xbox One like Forza already look amazing. Yeah the PS4 might be better theoretically on paper, but anything the PS4 is capable of, the Xbox can do just the same or better.

No.. just no... please stop. I mean an *infinite* amount of power. Do you even know what the term infinite means.

You do know that Sony can use the "Cloud" as well right? 

The cloud is great for online games/MMO's, but it *wont* in any shape or form improve the performance of single player experiences. It would allow (just like Diablo) to perhaps include new gameplay experiences - such as you can make changes server side to loot drops, and automatically when players connect they get this newly configured data. So from that point of view it could be useful... but it will not change the performance of hardware.

The term cloud is misunderstood. Cloud just means servers available online. 

Its what is set up for those servers to do that is the differnce.

Sony don have servers set up for processing data to enhanc a machine. Thereservers are used for playing PS3 titles on PS4. As in completely rendered in thecloudand streamed to play like Steam can do.

Microsofts Cloud is set up for processing data and sending that back to th machine, freeing up memory ad CPU tasks. Things like AI, Physics etc. Not necessarily display processes. But that still means Microsoft has more local memory on the console to use for Graphics. Etc.

Theres a great article Im just trying to find that shows just what Cloud means for Sony/Microsoft.

But cloud is just that. Servers.  

Oh gezz.. servers are servers and can be used for anything they require 



Multimedialover said:

The term cloud is misunderstood. Cloud just means servers available online. 

Its what is set up for those servers to do that is the differnce.

Sony don have servers set up for processing data to enhanc a machine. Thereservers are used for playing PS3 titles on PS4. As in completely rendered in thecloudand streamed to play like Steam can do.

Microsofts Cloud is set up for processing data and sending that back to th machine, freeing up memory ad CPU tasks. Things like AI, Physics etc. Not necessarily display processes. But that still means Microsoft has more local memory on the console to use for Graphics. Etc.

Theres a great article Im just trying to find that shows just what Cloud means for Sony/Microsoft.

But cloud is just that. Servers.  

I havent misunderstood the term cloud ;)

What i have said is that this infinite power is BS. Plain and simple.

Ok it has been about 15 years since i worked in IT.. but the concepts from them are the same now, nothing has actually changed. I used to be a cluster engineer/microsoft certified systems engineer +I (internet), and a Citrix Certified Systems Administrator. The technology is not much different from then, online datacenters/processing centers/cluster and blade farms.

The cloud is just a buzz word, but Both Sony/MS have access to this cloud computing tech.. it's not special or unusual, its pretty standard stuff...though MS have the cash and ability to install more kit than sony just because its using its hardware to support Windows Office and other tech... which other sides of the business need (and already have).

But it doesnt matter how much tech you install, it wont make a difference to the single player experience...and certainly wont make a less powerful console more powerful than a more powerful one. For example, could the wii-u use the cloud, yes definately. Will it make the wii-u infinitely more powerful than the PS4/XboxOne... no.



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!

Multimedialover said:
CGI-Quality said:

I didn't see too much pop-in for DriveClub, but just based on those vids, it had better lighting and more realistic car models. Forza looks like a higher resolution with a smoother framerate, though. I guess time will tell - DriveClub is reportedly on 35% complete. Plenty of time to sort things out. :)

Maybe I expect to much from scenery, car models and real colours from the Forza series. One of the reasons I struggle o put GT5 in my top 5 was the lack of detail in environments. Soomething Turn 10 have always done well with. 

More importantly I think is that the physics seem way off in Driveclub. It looks like a NFS type game. Which means it should really be compared to Horizon or NFS as well. Its having a hard time with hands on. lot of people slating Driveclub early on. If its 35% done when is it due?

I thought it was launch. But is it not? what does PS4 hve at launch?

It is an arcade racer so don't expect realistic driving in the game. I don't think Sony need two sim racing franchises.



Scoobes said:
It is an arcade racer so don't expect realistic driving in the game. I don't think Sony need two sim racing franchises.

Yeah i think its quite clear from the OSD and score pop-ups, this is an arcade racer (well i thought it was clear ;)



Making an indie game : Dead of Day!