I think it common sense thats it a 160sp, just look at how many devs have said, its on par with currentgen, look at how many ports have struggled,  a 320 sp gpu  on pc can run most current gen games with better framerate and at 1080p, yet the majority of wiiu MP games are infereior, even resident evil revelations runs worst and i expect assain creed 4 and watch dogs to also run worst to further prove my point, more importantly fourth storm, richard from DF and many tech heads at neogaf and most of beyond3d think its 160 sp.

well it really doesn't matter what you think, there are legit aruments to both sides, i just find it very hard to believe a 320 sp gpu wouldn't be able to achieve at least a good AA solution on curent gen looking games with a better framerate, since most games are running inferior at the moment just doesnt make any sense were talking 1.5x the power with being way more efficante.

I don't find it hard believe that games built around architecturally very different hardware perform worse in poorly optimized ports.

well if your hardware is 6 years newer, more effeciante and has 1.5x the power, i do find very hard to believe, and its just not rare case with one port were talking about the majority of ports. its like giving a race car driver a car with 1.5x power and still coming in at the same speed at the much slower car, it just doesnt make any sense.

we don't actually know how problematic the cpu is, criteron mentioned that it wasn't a problem for them, but we clearly see the lack the 320 sp, with current gen games lacking AA and higher resolution, i have yet to see a great looking  game coming out on wiiu with good AA, which tells me clealry its not a 320sp gpu but  we have time and by this year if assain creed 4, and watch dogs, are on par or worst then current gen, then we have confirmation but of course you cause will deny it, and call the devs lazy, instead of just calling it bad hardware.

Again you fail to take into account the learning curve; devs have not yet learned how to harness Wii U's GPU. Few have even tried.

Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed 4 Wii U will most likely be just the 360 version thrown onto Wii U with the bare minimum of optimization, and no effort to even try to use it's extra RAM and newer GPU. When a dev has more than twice as much RAM and doesn't use it, that's a confirmation of laziness, not poor hardware.

you mean nintendo fans that can't handle the truth, its funny im the laughing stock when i'm alway right, i predicted the wiiu would bomb and was flamed and laughed at by everybody on this forum, and i also told you guys wiiu was on par with current gen and was flamed and it seems i'm right again and you keep repeating yourself about 6th/7th year of 360 Back then, devs were forced to learn how to exploit shaders, weird in-order CPUs, non-unified memory pools in the case of PS3, and all that jazz. the wiiu is just  pc parts in a box, not some new  ground breaking hardware your making out to be, the fact we haven't even seen a wiiu with great AA just tells how weak the hardware is.

the  gpu is  160sp or 320sp gpu, thats all we know but of course it will confuse tech heads, there are many different gpu architectures, how many times do you buy a gpu or a console and the specs are kept secret, this thing is not common and very rare so of course it would confuse people as scenerios like this don't really exist at all except with nintendo, any if you want to repley message me cause were making this thread longer then needed.

The point is, if it was just PC parts, it would have taken a matter of HOURS for the exact part to  be identified after the photos came out. It's unidentifiable nature and dev difficulties all point to a highly customized part that will take a lot of effort and time for devs to extract the full power of.