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If you're going to build a PC, it may be better to not restrict yourself to the $400 it will cost to buy a PS4 (I'd say between $500 to $700 could get yourself a good, mid-range PC, with the flexibility to improve it). When I built my PC I didn't put in a blu-ray drive to save money, and despite telling myself at the time that I would put one in later, I still haven't because so far I haven't really needed it.

My favorite part of PC gaming is the access to modding, especially if you're into RPGs. For example, being able to play Skyrim with unofficial updates, modified textures, lighting, weather, and personal modules (such as creating your own armor or NPCs) has dramatically increased the value of the game.

With that said, if $400 is already a lot to spend for you, and modding isn't really a big interest, you may as well just get a PS4.



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Soleron said:
Muffin31190 said:
Soleron said:

CPU - $70 ~lower than Trinity
GPU - $125 ~7850 minus memory
8GB GDDR5 ~$100
Motherboard $70
500GB HDD $60
BD drive $20
Case $50
Onboard ARM chip/other custom circuitry $10
Controller $60


$565 excluding software, tax, assembly and shipping

Now obviously Sony pays less. But also they have design costs to amortise and a free cloud service to run. I would say they make a $50 loss per unit at best.


Please tell me where you can find 8gb of GDDR5 Ram for $100, seriously i would love to know where these deals are because ive only seen them in GPU's and those are over $900.

I mean if they sold it seperate.

If not, GPU with 2GB GDDR5 - $150, 6GB DDR3 - $70. Same deal really.

Ok could you please link me too GDDR5 ram cuz i cant really find any, let alone for $100 even if they are sold seperate.



AMD is going to release the APU that's in the PS4 eventually...



Muffin31190 said:
Soleron said:
Muffin31190 said:
Soleron said:

CPU - $70 ~lower than Trinity
GPU - $125 ~7850 minus memory
8GB GDDR5 ~$100
Motherboard $70
500GB HDD $60
BD drive $20
Case $50
Onboard ARM chip/other custom circuitry $10
Controller $60


$565 excluding software, tax, assembly and shipping

Now obviously Sony pays less. But also they have design costs to amortise and a free cloud service to run. I would say they make a $50 loss per unit at best.


Please tell me where you can find 8gb of GDDR5 Ram for $100, seriously i would love to know where these deals are because ive only seen them in GPU's and those are over $900.

I mean if they sold it seperate.

If not, GPU with 2GB GDDR5 - $150, 6GB DDR3 - $70. Same deal really.

Ok could you please link me too GDDR5 ram cuz i cant really find any, let alone for $100 even if they are sold seperate.

They don't, except in bulk. I used the bulk rate.

If you were building a PC, the substitute I listed will be suitable.



darkknightkryta said:
AMD is going to release the APU that's in the PS4 eventually...

1. No, but:

2. The tech in it is nothing groundbreaking. Sony chose it because they wanted an easy PC port, and AMD offered them a great deal due to their financial situation. The best CPU technology right now is clearly Intel, and Nvidia has a slight lead in graphics.



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Soleron said:
Muffin31190 said:
Soleron said:
Muffin31190 said:
Soleron said:

CPU - $70 ~lower than Trinity
GPU - $125 ~7850 minus memory
8GB GDDR5 ~$100
Motherboard $70
500GB HDD $60
BD drive $20
Case $50
Onboard ARM chip/other custom circuitry $10
Controller $60


$565 excluding software, tax, assembly and shipping

Now obviously Sony pays less. But also they have design costs to amortise and a free cloud service to run. I would say they make a $50 loss per unit at best.


Please tell me where you can find 8gb of GDDR5 Ram for $100, seriously i would love to know where these deals are because ive only seen them in GPU's and those are over $900.

I mean if they sold it seperate.

If not, GPU with 2GB GDDR5 - $150, 6GB DDR3 - $70. Same deal really.

Ok could you please link me too GDDR5 ram cuz i cant really find any, let alone for $100 even if they are sold seperate.

They don't, except in bulk. I used the bulk rate.

If you were building a PC, the substitute I listed will be suitable.

kk then u got my hopes up for nothing ...




Soleron said:
darkknightkryta said:
AMD is going to release the APU that's in the PS4 eventually...

1. No, but:

2. The tech in it is nothing groundbreaking. Sony chose it because they wanted an easy PC port, and AMD offered them a great deal due to their financial situation. The best CPU technology right now is clearly Intel, and Nvidia has a slight lead in graphics.

http://techreport.com/news/24425/amd-teases-pc-chip-based-on-ps4-apu

Guess nothing official atleast.  Though I recall reading after the PS4 reveal they were going to release the APU in the PC space.



I think the overall value goes to PC, but when it comes down to it, many people will see a 400 dollar price tag compared to 700ish dollars for a PC and just get a PS4.

People throw the term "hardcore" around a lot, but to me, PC gaming is the hardest of core, because players have to be savvy about both the hardware and the software. They have to know how to buy parts, know what a good build is for the money to get good value, know how to best toggle the graphics and sound features for each individual system because unlike consoles one size doesn't fit all. There's keyboard and mouse gaming, but game pads (like the 360 controller on Windows) are being supported more and more for the console ports. Oh and PS3 controllers can be supported via software (and are supported natively on my macbook, but why use a macbook for gaming?). And emulators allow for just about any console game to be played via pc, albeit not always at a perfect performance.

How's that relevant to the OP? It means that even though PCs offer more hardcore experiences and more variety than consoles, the reason consoles rule the living room might just be for the convenience and user friendliness the PC lacks. So even if you get a PC that has comparable parts to a PS4 and can run games at higher framerates and higher resolutions, you're going to have to be savvy about how to upgrade the machine. You also can't expect the games to run similarly due to poor optimization compared to consoles (again, since they are once size fits all, the games will exploit the console hardware better and you'll have to pay more on the PC to get a competitive experience).

In the end, it's not solely about the money you save (though that is a big part). Value is not just measured by a price tag. Still, it's what type of experience do you want when you game? Do you want a machine where you can pop in a game and play it with pretty much no barriers? Or do you want the more powerful machine that will cost a little more upfront but necessitates thought and care to get the most out of it.

I myself am lazy and like convenience. I also don't have a lot of money to buy top tier PC parts so I'm a console gamer primarily. I enjoy both and believe that games are more and more going to be released for both mediums, because consoles are becoming optimized gaming PCs. But even if the game offerings and tech is similar (when talking about what the OP wants...I understand PCs will always outclass consoles), I think in the end the experience is always going to be different because of the nature of each medium's strengths and weaknesses.



darkknightkryta said:
Soleron said:
darkknightkryta said:
AMD is going to release the APU that's in the PS4 eventually...

1. No, but:

2. The tech in it is nothing groundbreaking. Sony chose it because they wanted an easy PC port, and AMD offered them a great deal due to their financial situation. The best CPU technology right now is clearly Intel, and Nvidia has a slight lead in graphics.

http://techreport.com/news/24425/amd-teases-pc-chip-based-on-ps4-apu

Guess nothing official atleast.  Though I recall reading after the PS4 reveal they were going to release the APU in the PC space.

Products containing the CPU core, Jaguar, and the GPU shaders will be released of course, but I would bet 100:1 against the same chip from the PS4 being for general sale.



Soleron said:
darkknightkryta said:
Soleron said:
darkknightkryta said:
AMD is going to release the APU that's in the PS4 eventually...

1. No, but:

2. The tech in it is nothing groundbreaking. Sony chose it because they wanted an easy PC port, and AMD offered them a great deal due to their financial situation. The best CPU technology right now is clearly Intel, and Nvidia has a slight lead in graphics.

http://techreport.com/news/24425/amd-teases-pc-chip-based-on-ps4-apu

Guess nothing official atleast.  Though I recall reading after the PS4 reveal they were going to release the APU in the PC space.

Products containing the CPU core, Jaguar, and the GPU shaders will be released of course, but I would bet 100:1 against the same chip from the PS4 being for general sale.

Who knows but AMD?  I don't think Sony owns the customizations, and I'm sure they took that into account when they made them.  Plus you can't prevent an idea from entering hardware.  Nvidia can make the same changes to their compute engines if the wanted too.