By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - Why Nintendo won't drop the price of Wii U this year

MDMAlliance on 20 June 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:

Nintendo publishes about 75% of software sales in handhelds.  Yup, that's just like the console market, 3rd parties are major players.  We can just disagree on this.  You think the markets are the same, I think their different.


I never said that, I only said that they have a lot more similarities than you think and that a lot of the differences are circumstancial.  There are, of course, objective differences as well but I already stated them more than once already so if you didn't catch that then something must be wrong.



Around the Network
TheLastStarFighter on 20 June 2013
MDMAlliance said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Nintendo publishes about 75% of software sales in handhelds.  Yup, that's just like the console market, 3rd parties are major players.  We can just disagree on this.  You think the markets are the same, I think their different.


I never said that, I only said that they have a lot more similarities than you think and that a lot of the differences are circumstancial.  There are, of course, objective differences as well but I already stated them more than once already so if you didn't catch that then something must be wrong.


I never said there aren't similarities.  You have chosen to dispute something for no reason because the statement that there are differences in markets annoys you.



aikohualda on 20 June 2013

im 95% sure they will cut the price before during holiday season... but probably they wont announce it until before black friday..... yay for 10 ambassador games... :)



 

MDMAlliance on 20 June 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
MDMAlliance said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Nintendo publishes about 75% of software sales in handhelds.  Yup, that's just like the console market, 3rd parties are major players.  We can just disagree on this.  You think the markets are the same, I think their different.


I never said that, I only said that they have a lot more similarities than you think and that a lot of the differences are circumstancial.  There are, of course, objective differences as well but I already stated them more than once already so if you didn't catch that then something must be wrong.


I never said there aren't similarities.  You have chosen to dispute something for no reason because the statement that there are differences in markets annoys you.


No, I said "no offense" because the statement you made in this context made it seem like you didn't understand the similarities in the markets.  I wasn't saying the statement itself annoys me.



Gamerace on 20 June 2013

I disagree with the logic of the OP. WiiU is getting crushed in sales by PS360 and if they get a price cut when the new systems launch (likely) they'll crush WiiU even more unless it gets a price cut as well.

Yes, great Nintendo games will bring in Nintendo fans but if Nintendo wants to expand beyond that limited base, they need the casuals or the core. The system is too pricey for casuals (and with cheap Android systems soon to flood the market will seem even more expensive to this audience) while offering too little for them (WiiU Party and a couple Mario side scrollers being the only titles they will probably notice). Price needs to drop to $250 (for the deluxe with pack-in game) for real success here.
Core is even worse. For core they need massive 3rd party support and more-over 3rd party exclusives. None of that will happen without vastly increased WiiU sales. They won't be any massive increase (aside from normal holiday increase) unless there's a significant price drop.

However I've given up all hope of predicting what Nintendo will do. Maybe they'll chance it with the higher price rather than take a loss and if it's still dead in the water come early 2014 they'll begin readying a replacement for 2016 and live off 3DS for the meantime, kinda like GC days.



 

Around the Network
Cold-Flipper on 20 June 2013
RolStoppable said:

The PS3 sold because of its name, not its games. Its price got cut about eight months after launch.

I don't need to wait for the market's reaction to those games, because I already have a good idea what that reaction is going to be. Just like I knew that this Nintendo console was going to be in trouble since the day it was unveiled. All you are serving here is a "the market cannot be predicted" argument, because for a system like the Wii U that's the only defense you can put up at this point.

I agree with this. The PS3 didn't sell decent at launch because it had great games, people paid $600 because it was the follow up to the 2 biggest consoles ever released. Obviously, that didn't last and it got a price cut.

As for Wii U staying in trouble? It won't be as bad as now but I agree that it won't be increasing to awesome levels anytime soon. I don't think it will be a GC but N64.

 

TheLastStarFighter said:

 I didn't say it's the only reason that Nintendo won, I said it's the only things they needed to do.  This is because the markets are different.  Nintendo has a stranglehold on the market in handhelds.  The DS sold 150 million units.  Nintendo owns all of the biggest handheld franchises save Monster Hunter.  3rd parties are not major players in handhelds, and the only direct competition for Nintendo is Sony, which puts most of its efforts in consoles.  In consoles, MS, Sony and 3rd parties are major, major players.  This is a very different market.

 

MDMA is right though, saying that "it's the only thing they needed to do" is just wrong. Nintendo may have always won each HH generation easily but that doesn't mean anything. DS selling 150 Million means absolutely nothing to the 3DS. Does this mean you expect Wii U to sell 100 Million and be the biggest system of the gen? Based off your logic, it will because Wii sold so well. PS3 should've won no problem if this was the case because PS1 & PS2 completely dominated. Sony normally trashes everyone console-wise and it didn't help PS3 do it.

 

3DS also started slow after the initial launch. Why? It should've dominated regardless because its a Nintendo HH.

Not trying to rip on you, just saying a lot goes into a system business and it's not that simple. 

Anyway, I expect a Wii U price cut this Holiday.



zorg1000 on 20 June 2013
aikohualda said:
im 95% sure they will cut the price before during holiday season... but probably they wont announce it until before black friday..... yay for 10 ambassador games... :)


It makes absolutely no sense to do a cut during holidays, retailers will be doing there own deals/bundles so theres no point for an official cut. Also they wont give an ambassador program if they do cut the price when u say they will, that will be one full year after launch opposed to 5 months for the 3DS price drop.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

OneTwoThree on 20 June 2013
DevilRising said:
OneTwoThree said:

(...) First smash hit is Mario3DWorld in december, after DK has a moderate chance in november (but reception was lukewarm).

Reception was lukewarm from your average internet forum user like the people who frequent in here. That doesn't imply, however, that reception from the masses will be as lathargic. DKCR sold over 5 million copies. It was Retro's most financially successful game to date. And this game looks a lot better, all around. It's the smartest move they could have made. Mario tends to sell itself (...)

Just saying – DKCR sold over 5 million copies, granted. But NSMBWii sold 27 million copies, and that didn't save NSMBU from selling a mere 1,8 million up to now. If we extrapolate that... 



TheLastStarFighter on 20 June 2013
Cold-Flipper said:
RolStoppable said:

The PS3 sold because of its name, not its games. Its price got cut about eight months after launch.

I don't need to wait for the market's reaction to those games, because I already have a good idea what that reaction is going to be. Just like I knew that this Nintendo console was going to be in trouble since the day it was unveiled. All you are serving here is a "the market cannot be predicted" argument, because for a system like the Wii U that's the only defense you can put up at this point.

I agree with this. The PS3 didn't sell decent at launch because it had great games, people paid $600 because it was the follow up to the 2 biggest consoles ever released. Obviously, that didn't last and it got a price cut.

As for Wii U staying in trouble? It won't be as bad as now but I agree that it won't be increasing to awesome levels anytime soon. I don't think it will be a GC but N64.

 

TheLastStarFighter said:

 I didn't say it's the only reason that Nintendo won, I said it's the only things they needed to do.  This is because the markets are different.  Nintendo has a stranglehold on the market in handhelds.  The DS sold 150 million units.  Nintendo owns all of the biggest handheld franchises save Monster Hunter.  3rd parties are not major players in handhelds, and the only direct competition for Nintendo is Sony, which puts most of its efforts in consoles.  In consoles, MS, Sony and 3rd parties are major, major players.  This is a very different market.

 

MDMA is right though, saying that "it's the only thing they needed to do" is just wrong. Nintendo may have always won each HH generation easily but that doesn't mean anything. DS selling 150 Million means absolutely nothing to the 3DS. Does this mean you expect Wii U to sell 100 Million and be the biggest system of the gen? Based off your logic, it will because Wii sold so well. PS3 should've won no problem if this was the case because PS1 & PS2 completely dominated. Sony normally trashes everyone console-wise and it didn't help PS3 do it.

 

3DS also started slow after the initial launch. Why? It should've dominated regardless because its a Nintendo HH.

Not trying to rip on you, just saying a lot goes into a system business and it's not that simple. 

Anyway, I expect a Wii U price cut this Holiday.

At no point did I say a successor is destined to repeat the success of its predecessor. You're confused.



aikohualda on 20 June 2013
zorg1000 said:
aikohualda said:
im 95% sure they will cut the price before during holiday season... but probably they wont announce it until before black friday..... yay for 10 ambassador games... :)


It makes absolutely no sense to do a cut during holidays, retailers will be doing there own deals/bundles so theres no point for an official cut. Also they wont give an ambassador program if they do cut the price when u say they will, that will be one full year after launch opposed to 5 months for the 3DS price drop.

its called surplusing....

since the sales is abyssbal.... try to put the name in the market to rebound...

it does make sense since the main competition is coming out for the holiday to steal their market... so they need a more competitive price....