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superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:

Then what's the purpose of such box? I honestly don't understand it.

... and that's the reason iTV/GoogleTV has not taken off.

It doesn't seem to have mass appeal yet. Not sure if its just how its being presented or cost barrier or simply not enough functionality to deem it necessary to most.

I love the idea, but haven't wanted to spend $100 to $200 to make it happen.

Having superb internet on my TV, capability to instantly access my entire Google Play library/netflix/any other digital library, search all of these plus DVR and cable channels all at once, etc, etc... nice features but for many people, most of these are already given to them by their other smart devices.

I my case I can do almost any of that with my WiiU. Maybe not as streamlined, but its easily done to the point I don't want to spend the $$ on another box. Others can do most with their PS3s and definitely upcoming consoles or in a lot of cases their DVD/Bluray/TV sets themselves.

Though I would buy a GoogleTV device if it was:

  1. A "nexus" device; i.e. a pure android OS system
  2. Could sync via NFC to my phone so I can instantly stream all media from anywhere in house (google "Google Q" device for audio examples)
  3. Less than $100. Hardware doesn't need to be powerful and doesn't require much storage if any, just solid OS. So it can be a fairly modest setup.

The bold part is chinese to me. Perhaps I'm stupid.

I have a new LED TV with an internet-connection to it (LG Smart TV or something like that), but I don 't understand the purpose, I haven't bothered to use it and I don't know why it is there.

I don't know what Google Play is. Why do you have stuff there? Is it on the internet?

What is a DVR nowadays? In the past we had VCRs if we wanted to rent a movie, then came DVD and then Blue-ray. But what is DVR?

But anyway, since you would be interested in buying a box if it cost $100, what's the selling point of Xbone, which also is a media box, but costs much more. Yes it gives gaming too, but still... you're talking $100 while the Xbone is a box at $500.



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i doubt it.



Slimebeast said:

Good catch.

Anyway, it's cool that you're already thinking of the next gen (or should I say next next gen). I don't think anyone else is.

But, why do you think both MS and Sony will come with another console after Xbone/PS4? Most analists believe this is the last console generation.

Also, if there really is another hardware gen from 2018 and beyond, do you really think MS will be there? Xbone is in big trouble. To me this is the beginning of the end for MS in the console business.

Maybe Apple will be there.

EDIT: and maybe Nintendo will not. Maybe they are software only after Wii U.

Why is it that Nintendo will be the only one to go Software only? They also have more consoles than the Wii U, so are you implying that they will only focus on their handhelds?



NintendoPie said:
Slimebeast said:

Good catch.

Anyway, it's cool that you're already thinking of the next gen (or should I say next next gen). I don't think anyone else is.

But, why do you think both MS and Sony will come with another console after Xbone/PS4? Most analists believe this is the last console generation.

Also, if there really is another hardware gen from 2018 and beyond, do you really think MS will be there? Xbone is in big trouble. To me this is the beginning of the end for MS in the console business.

Maybe Apple will be there.

EDIT: and maybe Nintendo will not. Maybe they are software only after Wii U.

Why is it that Nintendo will be the only to go Software only? They also have more consoles than the Wii U, so are you implying that they will only focus on their handhelds?

That's only based on what I've heard so many times over the years. "Nintendo will be forced to do a SEGA".

Perhaps ditch home consoles first, no wait... handhelds are in trouble too because of smartphones.

I certainly hope that will never ever be the case. I love what Nintendo is doing, that long and stable heritage, I want them to remain unique and exclusive.

What do you think? What if some day when handheld sales are struggling, Apple comes and offers a huge sum of money for an exclusive deal to put Nintendo games on iPhone?



Slimebeast said:

That's only based on what I've heard so many times over the years. "Nintendo will be forced to do a SEGA".

Perhaps ditch home consoles first, no wait... handhelds are in trouble too because of smartphones.

I certainly hope that will never ever be the case. I love what Nintendo is doing, that long and stable heritage, I want them to remain unique and exclusive.

What do you think? What if some day when handheld sales are struggling, Apple comes and offers a huge sum of money for an exclusive deal to put Nintendo games on iPhone?

As of now it doesn't look like Nintendo's Handheld market is going anywhere. The 3DS has topped out the Holiday Season for it's past two years on market and it currently sits at 30+ Million, which is a pretty nice number. I'm sure Nintendo can keep their Handheld business going, if anything.

I think Nintendo games would be awkward on purely touchscreen. Nintendo would probably decline the offer due to what they've recently said regarding turning third party. (How they'll never do it, it would "de-value" their IP, etc.)

Although, the future you portray is quite interesting.



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Slimebeast said:

The bold part is chinese to me. Perhaps I'm stupid.

I have a new LED TV with an internet-connection to it (LG Smart TV or something like that), but I don 't understand the purpose, I haven't bothered to use it and I don't know why it is there.

I don't know what Google Play is. Why do you have stuff there? Is it on the internet?

What is a DVR nowadays? In the past we had VCRs if we wanted to rent a movie, then came DVD and then Blue-ray. But what is DVR?

But anyway, since you would be interested in buying a box if it cost $100, what's the selling point of Xbone, which also is a media box, but costs much more. Yes it gives gaming too, but still... you're talking $100 while the Xbone is a box at $500.

Your TV likely does most of this. Google a video on it to see how it works.

Google Play is the Android web store to get all the apps Android runs as well as tons of movies, music, games, tv shows, books and magazines.

DVR is a digital video recorder. Basically you can record anything showing on tv to watch later. It records to a hard drive instead of a vhs/cd/dvd.

Xbone's price is kinda my point. I think its way too expensive. My point in the OP is that next-gen wouldn't require uber-high-end components and therefore no where near a $500 price point.. I'm thinking closer to $250 or $300 max.



NintendoPie said:
Slimebeast said:

That's only based on what I've heard so many times over the years. "Nintendo will be forced to do a SEGA".

Perhaps ditch home consoles first, no wait... handhelds are in trouble too because of smartphones.

I certainly hope that will never ever be the case. I love what Nintendo is doing, that long and stable heritage, I want them to remain unique and exclusive.

What do you think? What if some day when handheld sales are struggling, Apple comes and offers a huge sum of money for an exclusive deal to put Nintendo games on iPhone?

As of now it doesn't look like Nintendo's Handheld market is going anywhere. The 3DS has topped out the Holiday Season for it's past two years on market and it currently sits at 30+ Million, which is a pretty nice number. I'm sure Nintendo can keep their Handheld business going, if anything.

I think Nintendo games would be awkward on purely touchscreen. Nintendo would probably decline the offer due to what they've recently said regarding turning third party. (How they'll never do it, it would "de-value" their IP, etc.)

Although, the future you portray is quite interesting.

As of now yes, they're doing okay. But isn't the 3DS tracking far behind the DS? Not halved sales but perhaps selling 2/3 of the DS like Patcher predicted.

And what if next gen handheld sells another 2/3 of this gen? Often a trend goes on and on. Like CD sales. CD sales have constantly been dropping 10-15% year after year for one and a half decade. DVD sales too for almost a decade. It's like there's no end to the decline. Until the product finally becomes obsolete.

That's what I fear will happen to handhelds. I personally don't like smartphones but I can't deny how extremely powerful they are, powerful in how they engulf their consumers. From 7 year olds to 47 year olds, people around me seem to be obsessed with all the things they do with their smartphones.

Touchscreen gaming, now that's the big thing. I hate (purely) touchscreen gaming.



superchunk said:
Slimebeast said:

The bold part is chinese to me. Perhaps I'm stupid.

I have a new LED TV with an internet-connection to it (LG Smart TV or something like that), but I don 't understand the purpose, I haven't bothered to use it and I don't know why it is there.

I don't know what Google Play is. Why do you have stuff there? Is it on the internet?

What is a DVR nowadays? In the past we had VCRs if we wanted to rent a movie, then came DVD and then Blue-ray. But what is DVR?

But anyway, since you would be interested in buying a box if it cost $100, what's the selling point of Xbone, which also is a media box, but costs much more. Yes it gives gaming too, but still... you're talking $100 while the Xbone is a box at $500.

Your TV likely does most of this. Google a video on it to see how it works.

Google Play is the Android web store to get all the apps Android runs as well as tons of movies, music, games, tv shows, books and magazines.

DVR is a digital video recorder. Basically you can record anything showing on tv to watch later. It records to a hard drive instead of a vhs/cd/dvd.

Xbone's price is kinda my point. I think its way too expensive. My point in the OP is that next-gen wouldn't require uber-high-end components and therefore no where near a $500 price point.. I'm thinking closer to $250 or $300 max.

You mean like an instructional video about the specific model series I own, like say on YouTube? Good idea.

Okay so Google Play is the equivalent to Apple's app-store? And since you're an Android guy you have invested plenty of Dollars in it already, on music and videos and stuff?

I wonder how Microsoft is thinking about the Xbone price. Haven't they learned? How on earth are they gonna broaden their market beyond the traditional gamer. I just can't see it.

"Buy our cool living room media box because you can control your TV with your voice, and we have a deal with NFL, but hey, make sure you keep your cable provider, and oh, it's only $500"

BTW, if your choice of "media box" would become the Xbone after all, would you be able to access that Google Play library of yours through the Xbone in a smooth way with the Kinect voice and snap features and all?



Slimebeast said:

You mean like an instructional video about the specific model series I own, like say on YouTube? Good idea.

Okay so Google Play is the equivalent to Apple's app-store? And since you're an Android guy you have invested plenty of Dollars in it already, on music and videos and stuff?

I wonder how Microsoft is thinking about the Xbone price. Haven't they learned? How on earth are they gonna broaden their market beyond the traditional gamer. I just can't see it.

"Buy our cool living room media box because you can control your TV with your voice, and we have a deal with NFL, but hey, make sure you keep your cable provider, and oh, it's only $500"

BTW, if your choice of "media box" would become the Xbone after all, would you be able to access that Google Play library of yours through the Xbone in a smooth way with the Kinect voice and snap features and all?

Yep and yep.

Xbone's price was probably because they thought Sony would include the camera and be close to $500 as well. Sony of course didn't do that and now have a significant price advantage. I'm thinking MS will do something come launch to make that $100 seem not a big deal due to some value proposition like free games.



There are a lot of factors to take into consideration when going digital-only. For starters, console retailers are definitely aware of the loss of advertising "shelf space" that comes with moving to digital-only, so I forsee a lot more aggressive advertising in other places in order to convince people to buy the console without them being able to view the library of games.

Another consideration is differing marketplaces. Sure, in developed countries, the thought of an online-only console gets more and more feasible each year, but what about developing countries where there's a marketplace for game consoles, but not a reliable enough internet infrastructure? Would the manufacturers spend more to make a completely different console to take those places into consideration, or bow out of those markets for smaller manufacturers? My guess is not the latter, in fear of missing out on the gravy train, if said region becomes an emerging boom market, with no prior experience of their brand.