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Cobretti2 on 17 June 2013

What will be interesting is to see how far they will advance their next video cards.

Will they go the regular small increase, or will they try to go all out and try to double it like the good old days just to stretch the gap between PC and consoles



 

 

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AnthonyW86 on 17 June 2013

 

PS3 gpu power draw: between 50W(7900gt) and 85W(7900 GTX). Both the high end cards of the day.

PS4 gpu power draw: 80W-100W. Geforce Titan power draw: 250W

So that's 2.5x the performance, 2.5 the power draw and probably 2.5x the price. I really don't see what they are trying to prove here. It's like making a big bulky smartphone with 3 cpu's in it, with two additional battery packs strapped on and then saying ''our smartphone is faster!''. Uhm DUH!



zhao3gold on 17 June 2013

Thanks, Nvidia. Please do your best to push another Microsoft platform: PC!!!!!!



Pemalite on 17 June 2013
iron_megalith said:


A pc rig won't keep up for 10 years as well so goodluck with that. Also there's a difference with paying a huge ammount of money in one go than paying in terms. The latter is more manageable as you don't splurge your money right away.

So no... PC is still more expensive to build not to mention researching individual good parts which is quite a hassle for general consumers.

But really nothing really beats PC in performance. You just need to be stinking rich to keep up with it.


Well, the PC rig won't certainly slow down.

The Quad-Core Core 2 was released in 2006, that's 7 years ago and as CPU's go can still run everything you throw at it with a little overclocking. (Another 3 years ain't that far away with slowing of technology in the CPU space!)
If all you did was drop in a new graphics card every 3-4 odd years, it would play all games perfectly fine, with settings higher than the consoles could ever dream of.
It certainly wouldn't be inferior in any way, shape or form.

The origional outlay is a little bit pricier, but if you play your cards right it can end up being significantly cheaper than console gaming. And hey, at-least the consumer has a choice!
I actually had a Core 2 Quad Q6600 years ago, gave it to my grandfather and I still occassionally fire up big demanding AAA games on it when I'm over there, granted it only has a Radeon 6970 at the moment, not a bad 7 year old rig, still lots of life in it yet.



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Kasz216 on 17 June 2013
HoloDust said:
Kasz216 said:
iron_megalith said:


A pc rig won't keep up for 10 years as well so goodluck with that. Also there's a difference with paying a huge ammount of money in one go than paying in terms. The latter is more manageable as you don't splurge your money right away.

So no... PC is still more expensive to build not to mention researching individual good parts which is quite a hassle for general consumers.

But really nothing really beats PC in performance. You just need to be stinking rich to keep up with it.


You're joking right?  A PC will totally keep up with a console for 10 years.

If anything the opposite is true.  In 10 years it's the PS4//Xbone that won't be keeping up, while the PC will be able to run games that won't even be on the PS4.


Heck, the PC rig will probably keep up with the PS5/nextbox if you just buy a graphics card that will be cheaper then the PS5/nextbox likely will be.

Uhm, think he meant without upgrading. But even if you want to upgrade, beside the point that you can't wait 10 years (10 years ago, for example, GPUs were still running on AGP), there are a lot of people (majority, I'd say) that simply don't want to bother with that.

While PC gaming certainly has lot of benefits, having closed box that's paid for once and wll serve you for next 8 or more years (like in this cycle) also has its own benefits. Unless it breaks down, that is...but that happens to PCs as well.


You won't need to upgrade though.  The advantage of a closed box is an illusion.

The PS4 will play every P4 for like 8 years ok.  

An 8 year old PC will play all of those games too.  It will play newer PC Games too... at lower settings which will still be greater then what the PS4 wil do.

The old PC not only keeps up with the PS4, but stays ahead of it completely unupgraded.  The PS4 doesn't suddenly download more ram and get really powerful.

You could just get the same "advantage" by buying a PC, and just buying a new one in 8-9 years.

 

The only real reason to buy a console is exclusives.



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m0ney on 17 June 2013

I like how console defenders whine that a gaming pc costs 200 bucks more than a console and then go out and buy a pack of games for 60 bucks each.



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iron_megalith on 17 June 2013
Kasz216 said:
HoloDust said:
Kasz216 said:
iron_megalith said:


A pc rig won't keep up for 10 years as well so goodluck with that. Also there's a difference with paying a huge ammount of money in one go than paying in terms. The latter is more manageable as you don't splurge your money right away.

So no... PC is still more expensive to build not to mention researching individual good parts which is quite a hassle for general consumers.

But really nothing really beats PC in performance. You just need to be stinking rich to keep up with it.


You're joking right?  A PC will totally keep up with a console for 10 years.

If anything the opposite is true.  In 10 years it's the PS4//Xbone that won't be keeping up, while the PC will be able to run games that won't even be on the PS4.


Heck, the PC rig will probably keep up with the PS5/nextbox if you just buy a graphics card that will be cheaper then the PS5/nextbox likely will be.

Uhm, think he meant without upgrading. But even if you want to upgrade, beside the point that you can't wait 10 years (10 years ago, for example, GPUs were still running on AGP), there are a lot of people (majority, I'd say) that simply don't want to bother with that.

While PC gaming certainly has lot of benefits, having closed box that's paid for once and wll serve you for next 8 or more years (like in this cycle) also has its own benefits. Unless it breaks down, that is...but that happens to PCs as well.


You won't need to upgrade though.  The advantage of a closed box is an illusion.

The PS4 will play every P4 for like 8 years ok.  

An 8 year old PC will play all of those games too.  It will play newer PC Games too... at lower settings which will still be greater then what the PS4 wil do.

The old PC not only keeps up with the PS4, but stays ahead of it completely unupgraded.  The PS4 doesn't suddenly download more ram and get really powerful.

You could just get the same "advantage" by buying a PC, and just buying a new one in 8-9 years.

 

The only real reason to buy a console is exclusives.


I dunno about you guys but my philosophy of PC gaming is either you play it on max or you stop whinning how console versions look like shit. Dumbing it down so much won't really make a difference between the two unless you're super picky about "visual fidelity". Sure you get a couple of better textures and 10% more frames but does that really matter that much?

So no... 3-4 years is a good time for a rig. By that time I'll probably be switching my GPU, which will not be cheap.

Also for the record I'm using a first gen i7. Had gone to 2 GPUs now. 470 to 670.



Quartz on 17 June 2013

You all seem to be forgetting that PC's may have greater graphical power and all that, but the games have a overhead on them to work with different types of cards in different types of PC's. So while the PS4 may never be as powerful as the PC - IT CAN BE optimized better simply due to the fact that the hardware is fixed...



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Quartz on 17 June 2013
Quartz said:
You all seem to be forgetting that PC's may have greater graphical power and all that, but the games have a overhead on them to work with different types of cards in different types of PC's. So while the PS4 may never be as powerful as the PC - IT CAN BE optimized better simply due to the fact that the hardware is fixed...


Oh and if enough of them sell, it'll be easier and cheaper to produce and refine games on the PS4 than ANY PC...



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Kasz216 on 17 June 2013
iron_megalith said:
Kasz216 said:
HoloDust said:
Kasz216 said:
iron_megalith said:


A pc rig won't keep up for 10 years as well so goodluck with that. Also there's a difference with paying a huge ammount of money in one go than paying in terms. The latter is more manageable as you don't splurge your money right away.

So no... PC is still more expensive to build not to mention researching individual good parts which is quite a hassle for general consumers.

But really nothing really beats PC in performance. You just need to be stinking rich to keep up with it.


You're joking right?  A PC will totally keep up with a console for 10 years.

If anything the opposite is true.  In 10 years it's the PS4//Xbone that won't be keeping up, while the PC will be able to run games that won't even be on the PS4.


Heck, the PC rig will probably keep up with the PS5/nextbox if you just buy a graphics card that will be cheaper then the PS5/nextbox likely will be.

Uhm, think he meant without upgrading. But even if you want to upgrade, beside the point that you can't wait 10 years (10 years ago, for example, GPUs were still running on AGP), there are a lot of people (majority, I'd say) that simply don't want to bother with that.

While PC gaming certainly has lot of benefits, having closed box that's paid for once and wll serve you for next 8 or more years (like in this cycle) also has its own benefits. Unless it breaks down, that is...but that happens to PCs as well.


You won't need to upgrade though.  The advantage of a closed box is an illusion.

The PS4 will play every P4 for like 8 years ok.  

An 8 year old PC will play all of those games too.  It will play newer PC Games too... at lower settings which will still be greater then what the PS4 wil do.

The old PC not only keeps up with the PS4, but stays ahead of it completely unupgraded.  The PS4 doesn't suddenly download more ram and get really powerful.

You could just get the same "advantage" by buying a PC, and just buying a new one in 8-9 years.

 

The only real reason to buy a console is exclusives.


I dunno about you guys but my philosophy of PC gaming is either you play it on max or you stop whinning how console versions look like shit. Dumbing it down so much won't really make a difference between the two unless you're super picky about "visual fidelity". Sure you get a couple of better textures and 10% more frames but does that really matter that much?

So no... 3-4 years is a good time for a rig. By that time I'll probably be switching my GPU, which will not be cheap.

Also for the record I'm using a first gen i7. Had gone to 2 GPUs now. 470 to 670.


So your argument is "It runs better then the best console, but because it's not max, it clearly doesn't matter and is in fact inferior."

That doesn't make sense to me.  Again your arguement is "It's better then the console but it could be even better, so then I HAVE to upgrade it."

Doesn't really make sense.