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starcraft on 13 June 2013
pokoko said:
Sony has said like a billion times that you can play single-player games without authentication. It's multi-player, where the game has to connect to an outside network, that would allow a publisher control of the situation. I don't know how that could be any more clear.

Actually, I have just read up on this a little more, Sony have never said that from what I can see.

"The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement."

"The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever."

Thats all Tretton.  Kotaku's interpretation of that is:

While the statement verifies that third-party publishers will have a choice to continue using online passes or charge a fee for online multiplayer, it doesn't shut the door on other avenues of used game restriction. The PlayStation 4 "will not have any gating restrictions" means there is nothing built into the hardware to restrict used games running on the system. That doesn't restrict third-party publishers from implementing their own methods.

Concerning.



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LurkerJ on 13 June 2013
starcraft said:
pokoko said:
Sony has said like a billion times that you can play single-player games without authentication. It's multi-player, where the game has to connect to an outside network, that would allow a publisher control of the situation. I don't know how that could be any more clear.

Actually, I have just read up on this a little more, Sony have never said that from what I can see.

"The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement."

"The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever."

Thats all Tretton.  Kotaku's interpretation of that is:

While the statement verifies that third-party publishers will have a choice to continue using online passes or charge a fee for online multiplayer, it doesn't shut the door on other avenues of used game restriction. The PlayStation 4 "will not have any gating restrictions" means there is nothing built into the hardware to restrict used games running on the system. That doesn't restrict third-party publishers from implementing their own methods.

Concerning.

Any game that is made for PS4 that is physical goods, whether first-party or third-party, can go into a PS4 and play regardless of where it came from. The first player will play it, no problem, the second player will play it, no problem. What I was referring to was the online proposition. [The example was later given to me: If you buy a used disc from GameStop, you’ll have no problem popping that disc in and playing it from your PlayStation 4. The issue may arise when you try to jump online and play with other players. At that point, a third-party publisher may impose a fee or not allow that.]

The easiest way to explain it is — if you understand how it works on PlayStation 3, then that’s the same way it will work on PlayStation 4. No changes there. We’ve been out for six and a half years. It’s the same experience.

That's all Tretton.





starcraft on 13 June 2013
LurkerJ said:
starcraft said:

Actually, I have just read up on this a little more, Sony have never said that from what I can see.

"The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement."

"The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever."

Thats all Tretton.  Kotaku's interpretation of that is:

While the statement verifies that third-party publishers will have a choice to continue using online passes or charge a fee for online multiplayer, it doesn't shut the door on other avenues of used game restriction. The PlayStation 4 "will not have any gating restrictions" means there is nothing built into the hardware to restrict used games running on the system. That doesn't restrict third-party publishers from implementing their own methods.

Concerning.

Any game that is made for PS4 that is physical goods, whether first-party or third-party, can go into a PS4 and play regardless of where it came from. The first player will play it, no problem, the second player will play it, no problem. What I was referring to was the online proposition. [The example was later given to me: If you buy a used disc from GameStop, you’ll have no problem popping that disc in and playing it from your PlayStation 4. The issue may arise when you try to jump online and play with other players. At that point, a third-party publisher may impose a fee or not allow that.]

The easiest way to explain it is — if you understand how it works on PlayStation 3, then that’s the same way it will work on PlayStation 4. No changes there. We’ve been out for six and a half years. It’s the same experience.

That's all Tretton.

Lol.  You have to laugh at the double standard.  These forums have been blowing up for days because Microsoft is trying to 'change what is acceptable' and 'cram a new system down our throats.'

Notwithstanding that by definition Sony's online offering has changed (for example, we have to pay for it), it sounds like publishers will not be restricted in any meaningful way.  So, if people are correct about Microsoft (I don't think they are/hope they are not), multiplatform developers will apply the same restrictions on the PS4.

There would be one positive and one negative difference, as outlined in my OP.  Positive difference, you could never take your PS4 online again and therefore continue using your game.  Negative difference, you dont have the sharing capabilities offered on the Xbox ONE as compensation.



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michael_stutzer on 13 June 2013

It is sad to see people try so hard.



the2real4mafol on 13 June 2013

How many times must Sony say that second hand games aren't blocked?



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starcraft on 13 June 2013
the2real4mafol said:
How many times must Sony say that second hand games aren't cannot be blocked?

Just once.



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mtu9356 on 13 June 2013

Publishers won't be able to block used games unless they force players to register online b4 playing. Not likely to happen. I expect more games to become online only (especially from EA). Online passes (or what ever they call it) will make a return, I guarantee it.



AgentZorn on 13 June 2013

Could we please stop with this. I'm already tired about all the negativity towards the Wii U, and I do not need this negativity creeping up on the PS4 as well.



LurkerJ on 13 June 2013
starcraft said:
LurkerJ said:
starcraft said:

Actually, I have just read up on this a little more, Sony have never said that from what I can see.

"The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement."

"The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever."

Thats all Tretton.  Kotaku's interpretation of that is:

While the statement verifies that third-party publishers will have a choice to continue using online passes or charge a fee for online multiplayer, it doesn't shut the door on other avenues of used game restriction. The PlayStation 4 "will not have any gating restrictions" means there is nothing built into the hardware to restrict used games running on the system. That doesn't restrict third-party publishers from implementing their own methods.

Concerning.

Any game that is made for PS4 that is physical goods, whether first-party or third-party, can go into a PS4 and play regardless of where it came from. The first player will play it, no problem, the second player will play it, no problem. What I was referring to was the online proposition. [The example was later given to me: If you buy a used disc from GameStop, you’ll have no problem popping that disc in and playing it from your PlayStation 4. The issue may arise when you try to jump online and play with other players. At that point, a third-party publisher may impose a fee or not allow that.]

The easiest way to explain it is — if you understand how it works on PlayStation 3, then that’s the same way it will work on PlayStation 4. No changes there. We’ve been out for six and a half years. It’s the same experience.

That's all Tretton.

Lol.  You have to laugh at the double standard.  These forums have been blowing up for days because Microsoft is trying to 'change what is acceptable' and 'cram a new system down our throats.'

Notwithstanding that by definition Sony's online offering has changed (for example, we have to pay for it), it sounds like publishers will not be restricted in any meaningful way.  So, if people are correct about Microsoft (I don't think they are/hope they are not), multiplatform developers will apply the same restrictions on the PS4.

There would be one positive and one negative difference, as outlined in my OP.  Positive difference, you could never take your PS4 online again and therefore continue using your game.  Negative difference, you dont have the sharing capabilities offered on the Xbox ONE as compensation.


What does this have to do with anything? You asked a question, you didn't ge the answer you were hoping for, you turned to childish bitching and moaning. Starcraft added to ignore list. Enough with the wishful thinking and desperation.



DJEVOLVE on 13 June 2013

No they will be able to block  used games and it will happen. Most games on PS4 will be just like X1

 

What a surpize if people think it's going to be way different. 194 software companies closing should have been a hint. Cheap people milked the cool to much.