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thx1139 on 13 June 2013

One thing MS could have done and maybe put into an hardware update would be Free 3G capability like Amazon Kindles simply for the check-in.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

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Mistershine on 13 June 2013
Adinnieken said:
LurkerJ said:

I think people bring up internet outages just to complain more. Check ins every 24 hours wouldn't have been a concern if they weren't there to enforce DRM and stop rentals. Check-in is the least of xbone problems, there are other several issues that still need more clarifications, more than what's mentioned on xbox wire.

They're not there to stop rentals.  Disc-based rentals are not possible with retail discs because the first person to install the game would own it.

The disc is just a medium to transport the digital content. 

That said, what needs to be worked out is how you could allow rentals.  My thoughts is that rental services would need to purchase special discs that function differently than regular retail discs.  They would still use DRM, but the key would limit limit the functionality or disable the game after x number of days, with or without a check-in.

I would go for special discs that need to be in the drive to function. Still fully install but not need registration. If you like the game enough to buy it then you can pay to activate the installed copy. Do game rental places just buy normal retail copies at the moment? I know in the 80s video rental shops used to pay up to £100 per copy for films. Perhaps the could charge $150$200 per rental copy.



kurasakiichimaru on 13 June 2013

The problem is outage not kilobytes.



Darth Tigris on 13 June 2013
Adinnieken said:
LurkerJ said:

I think people bring up internet outages just to complain more. Check ins every 24 hours wouldn't have been a concern if they weren't there to enforce DRM and stop rentals. Check-in is the least of xbone problems, there are other several issues that still need more clarifications, more than what's mentioned on xbox wire.

They're not there to stop rentals.  Disc-based rentals are not possible with retail discs because the first person to install the game would own it.

The disc is just a medium to transport the digital content. 

That said, what needs to be worked out is how you could allow rentals.  My thoughts is that rental services would need to purchase special discs that function differently than regular retail discs.  They would still use DRM, but the key would limit limit the functionality or disable the game after x number of days, with or without a check-in.

Those would work just fine, unique activation codes for rentals.

OR, for the first time, they can introduce online rentals that either disable after x many days or allow you to pay more for additional days.  OR a Netflix like rental subscription service that just lets you download whatever one at a time.

See, this is what happens when we start thinking about the potential of what the DRM opens up instead of just what it takes away.



Damnyouall on 13 June 2013

For PS4 it will be 0 kilobytes.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

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foodfather on 13 June 2013

There are 48 million xbox accounts. I have no idea where the back lash for check ins came from as by default it will effect less than 10% of 360 owners.

its used games thats the issue, MS need to sort that out.



Damnyouall on 13 June 2013
foodfather said:
There are 48 million xbox accounts. I have no idea where the back lash for check ins came from as by default it will effect less than 10% of 360 owners

Sony welcomes those 4.8 million former Xbox owners.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

ithis on 13 June 2013
foodfather said:
There are 48 million xbox accounts. I have no idea where the back lash for check ins came from as by default it will effect less than 10% of 360 owners.

its used games thats the issue, MS need to sort that out.


The backlash came from the fact that most of those 48 million accounts have had internet outages of one sort or another. While Xbox360 was still able to play games when those outages were happening, the Xbone will not.



ironmanDX on 13 June 2013
Darth Tigris said:

Those would work just fine, unique activation codes for rentals.

OR, for the first time, they can introduce online rentals that either disable after x many days or allow you to pay more for additional days.  OR a Netflix like rental subscription service that just lets you download whatever one at a time.

See, this is what happens when we start thinking about the potential of what the DRM opens up instead of just what it takes away.


That's a good idea. Bill Gates should sign up here on VGC!



Max King of the Wild on 13 June 2013

I have kb connection for half of the year... Connecting my ps3 to it really isn't worth it and I haven't hooked it up since may. I prefer not using my moms shitty service that she has every right to choose while 3 others in the house are watching youtube clips