what the hell are you going on about. As usual your arguments are all over the place. Did you reply to me earlier without understanding the context? Nintendo is currently getting criticized to hell and back for not bringing more new IPs to the table. Some said the same can be said for others. I gave facts to show what that is not true. Outside of a few nintendo fans do you see gamers in general point the finger at sony and say hey sony why can't you give us new IPs? lol 

No need to run around the fact..it is what it is. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if ND's other team is NOT working on a new Uncharted. So in summary, issue is not recreating or revisiting same ideas or old Ips....it's the focus on not creating new experiences through new IPs. 

Heck I don't think you can say Ubisoft is in the same boat either. Every year they bring some new exciting new IPs to E3. Good on them 

@FOX: Yeah I think that indeed is a problem in a business pov as well. I think they understand it tho cuz Shuhei addressed it a while back in an interview. I think cutting down the number of teams they had and making the current ones bigger is one approach they are using. Number of games may decrease but the quality will likely increase too.

@milkyjoe: A new IP from a dev like ND is exciting. Laugh all you want but TLOU had more people excited than anything Nintendo showed today. For good reason too. ha indeed

But over the last 2 E3s nintendo bought  Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, Zombie U, New Super MArio Bros U and Nintendo Land. This is literally a summation of E3 2011+2012 combined. Its really not an achievement to beat that.

Glass half full point of view. If instead you look at what they did present, you'd have a very different opinion.

The highlights for me:

Smash gameplay, with Megaman. Cool as fuck, yes!!

Mario Kart 8 looks awesome. Indeed it does! One of the new things.

SM3DW IS new, it have so many unrecognizable features from the original. Coop, Yoshi as a boat, a cat costume which drastically alters Mario's movement. Man if this is not new... It all depends on what you want. If it's a new IP then sure you didn't get it. If you wanted a whole new world for Mario then sure you didn't get it but you know you will and that's all you need to know. New costumes does not = "new", this is more or less a glorified 3DS port (I'm exaggerating of course). The thing is I DON'T know that I'll get a new world for Mario. This might be THE 3D Mario game this gen... Last gen we got lucky and got 2 Galaxies...

DKCR 2. Since when are sequels not new? What is it you want? DKCR is being ported to 3DS this year, so we didn't need this game. I was hoping Retro would do something else.

X. How is this more new than a sequel to Donkey Kong Country? They are different games in different genres, sequels mean different things in these genres. It's more new because it's not a direct sequel? AND it has new features.

Bayo 2, what's more new about X than this? We haven't seen any game play so far. And we've known about this title for almost 1 year now.

What about the Gamecube for example was so much more new in its second year than for U? Man you've been a Nintendo fan for this long, this is how they roll. I had stopped gaming when the GC came out; did not have anything I wanted back then.

I have a very hard time believing that they can get away with small refinements in a market where the Wii U is selling so shit. It's tracking behind the Gamecube here in the States as it is. I doubt having to compete with the Xone and PS4 on top of the last gen consoles is going to help matters.

Are you feeling attacked? Because it seems like it, you're starting to resort to name calling. Maybe you should work on that. And maybe you should take a look at your own argument, too. It's quite ridiculous as my argument is completely neutural.

If you are blind to the fact that every developer doesn't make sequels (which I'm pretty sure is what we're talking about here...), then I don't what to tell you, MUGEN.

But before you go too far, I'll let you know that I wasn't trying to attack you and your thoughts. I was just giving you the truth about how the industry works. Everyone releases "nothing new" (as the title of this thread would put it), there's nothing wrong with that. It works.

what 'name' did I call you exactly? 0_o

And no i'm not feeling attacked. Don't see why I should be either. Your argument isn't neutral...it's an argument that is useless as it's not the point we were discussing

If you are blind to the fact that that's NOT the issue we are talking about here...then I have not sure what to tell you either NintendoPie. 

My point is simple. Not every company is in the same boat as Nintendo when it comes to making their main dev teams work on New IPs in new Settings etc. Hence people are not as excited by Nintendo's showing this year. Simple really. 

But yeah I think I'm done with you :) I Have seen enough of your arguing methods to know this won't make a difference

The problem isn't just that though. It's that they aren't even doing much to rock the boat for the IPs they are using. That was the main argument they had for leaning on Mario and Zelda all these years. They've done far more interesting things with 3D Mario games than 3D World, and already have plenty of other old IPs that Retro could've worked on. Instead, they're doing another Donkey Kong Country game.

How much better is that then doing a crapton of Halo and God of War games exactly?