@wolf user

I'm trying to get good with marth now since everyone is on the metaknight bandwagon. What did you see that needs the most work?

 Lulz, Wolf user? :P

 Anyways, I still think you need to counter. Aside from that I'd say you need more sheild breaker if someone blocks a no-lag attack use a quick one to weaken thier sheild also it is good for verticle recovery. You've been getting better at the Dancing Blades but try the downward combo. Also Marth Bair is awesome for edgegaurding. Below is a great directory to some useful Marth guides...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=172497

Edit: Also try to fast fall it is a great strategy against most chars.

I have never seen a high level marth user like kizzu, dsf, or danimals use their counter as much as you guys are telling me to use it. It's a situational move only. I don't plan on adding that into my play style, it just isn't worth it. Shield breaker is a nice move though. The down db combo seems great for spacing I just forget to do it.

The thing is using counter right as a mind game. You don't use it for damage truly. It's use is to make the opponent always afraid that your going to use it. It's best application is in that way because it tends to make the opponent think too much about whether or not your going to counter instead of what they should be thinking of.

Easier to make someone mess up when you make them think more.

I just noticed Bowser can crawl.... That has to be the least useful crawl in the game

I just watched some melée bids for the first time... Is it possible to fight like that in our game? It seems you can actually combo in that game. That game looks waaaay better than brawl from the vids I have seen. No stupid camping and rolling or mind game gimmicks. I wanna play like that.

Riot, wanna play right now? I wont't use metaknight if you don't want me to.

yeah, i'll play you. I'm using marth so play whoever you want.

Well, people were bidding on Smashboards to change the tourny standard to heavy brawl for awhile since it brings air speed closer to melees...

Pretty sure since you can't turn Heavy brawl on online though made it a no. =/

I did find it seemed to go faster in Heavy Brawl, but inducting it as a tourny standard would be difficult as practicing online is impossible for it. Offline practice works, but its just so much easier to go online.

Brawl's made us lazy :x

Melee though... in the end it was basically Fox only on Final Destination, hence the common joke of the same thing. Fox and Falco were the two broken characters. The tiers in melee weren't nearly as balance as Brawl seems to be so far. However it took quite a few years of melee being out to evolve the way it did. Wavedashing wasn't found within a week of the game being out.