Metaknight's down b is a step in the right direction. Banning it just means you support smash as a campy noob friendly game which I don't. My mind is made. I'm not playing without this tech.

Wow that a cray thing this was ice climers only? its kinda like what they did to ice climers infone grip thing i guess? How its a step in the right direson when only meta can do it i mean if every one had a move that was had to pull off like that ooo i would like if zss had a way to do side B a lot faster then it is now so i could stop your marth chargs! (his rng is soo long /cry)

There is a big difference between supporting camping, and supporting the ban of a technique that would completely break the game. I've said this before. 1 hit, do this, and the match is done. You could even use this to GET that hit. Projectiles and range are things that balanced Meta Knight. With this, no longer a problem. Meta Knight no longer has a counter. Instead of banning the character, ban the technique causing the problem.

Camping is defeatable. Falco spamming lasers? Well surprise! Kirby, Squirtle, Pikachu, and probably some others can all duck underneath them with the latter 2 being able to crawl towards him. Kirby and Squirtle can even duck underneath his reflector, ruining his camping entirely! Pit spamming arrows? Lucas and Ness can absorb them, Space Animals and another Pit can reflect them. Problem solved!

Everything currently has a counter. Dimensional Cape does not hence why its going to be banned.

now i wish they let wave dashing stay in brawl.

that's why you ban it as a stall. Outside of that you are basicly saying you want it banned altogether because you won't be able to camp metaknight which is being in favor of camping. The stalling is the only thing about it that should be banned.

@ Riot; Partly I agree with your camping hate and reasoning for your Down-B about stopping camping. However Brawl can be just like the way you like your fighting games. The real problem is the majority of the Brawl community. The real reason I haven't joined any smash related sites is because I cannot stand the majority of the smash community >.<

Everywhere like SWF, AiB, BC, etc. there are hoards of melee fantards who can't get over their crappy ass attitudes about brawl and the fact it isn't an exact clone of melee and are screwing over brawl's metagame because of it. I admit, melee seems like your kind of game but realistically camping has not changed in any aspect. The basic foundation still stood, can't get hit by someone that's not close to you.

Melee was intense fast-paced take on smash, people loved it and camping made it unbearable. People looked down on camping in melee cause it ruined their smash experience. Then brawl came by,slowed it down a bit, balanced it out(soo people could unbalance it again :P), and removed a wee bit of hitstun and people couldn't stand it. The majority of the smash communtiy are people that can't take a hit and now just accept camping as the way to play it because Brawl couldnt live up to their precious melee.

Maybe if they would get over the game and treat it like melee, we could look down on camping and learn new combos and ATs and make the experience more enjoyable for competetive brawlers. But by the looks of it that won't be happening T___T The reason I love the brawlers here is because they treat the game with some respect and find ways to better their game without relying on cheap camping. <3 You VGChartz brawlers :3

Just thinking out loud ^^;

You can't monitor its use for stalling. Time limits are the ONLY way and your not going to have someone sitting there with a stop watch stalking every Meta Knight.

Oh, I only meant to use it for 4.9 seconds. Oh well you went to 5.1 your out! Judgment calls are avoided whenever possible, as human error can not be relied upon. Honor system for non TO watched matches? Don't make me laugh

Stalling isn't even the worst part about it. Its an unbeatable approach. Your opponent is either going to A. grab the ledge which is in favor of Meta Knight anyway. or B. Spaz out spamming any way to evade that inevitable hit coming from it.

Testing has shown that the ONLY platform Meta Knight can't reach directly out of this on any legal stage is Battlefields top most platform. To this I say, since when is being above Meta Knight ever favorable?

This move has NO counter. Everything currently legal has a counter, this does not. It needs banned. I'm not in favor of camping, I'm in favor of trying to keep some semblance of balance in this game. If this is allowed, balance has NO chance. Meta Knight will be the only usable character. Is that really what you want? I thought you hated Meta Knight because everyone flocks to him. With this, everyone will HAVE to flock to him.

@Wolf guy
I didn't play melee so I don't know if it's my type of game or not. I'm mostly comparing it to other fighting games. I've been playing fighting games all my life and I love them a lot. But exactly can you do other than camping? Every approach sucks that's not metaknight. Even marth isn't that great. I'm automaticly at a disadvantage just because I approach. When I play in the brawl league, I'm a completely different fighter. I don't approach or even try to combo. I let metaknight's brokeness win for me.


Brawls meta game is already broken beyond repair almost. The down b with metaknight is a symbolic AT that gives hope to people that want to get past camping and make it far less effective. Banning it just a step backwards into camp zone. This was something that could have changed the brawl was played. I'm glad at least some tourneys will allow it like FAST1.

fun games Jski sry for spamming with sonic but its almost all he can do XD

I know i was able to conter it a few times. Rush attk get behind down smash is about how you did it i was able to see it coming so slowly i was starting to conter. what i should do on zss vs that is to grip the sec you start to move i will land it more of the time. I was trying to on that level with falco to do the easter egg thing but i guess its fox only. That why i chose fox the time after. Hehe i could never play this game for any thing other then fun it just seem pontless to go to toruments as is rare they are going to be fun experts from what i can see i mean doing any thing to win makes the game no longer playable.