@ ivo...do you think that West Chester, Ohio would be a good tourney? i was thinking about attending.

Theres a tournament in West Chester? I have no heard of this X.x

Riot, the move is BROKEN for spacing. Didn't you read my quoted argument up above? >.>

@ riot sry for using lucario but it feels that he the only one i can use to beat you. The one tick i was doing (sticking to the wall) is realy only usable on some level. I think the resion that he works so well is the hit box on his smashes realy on all of his attks last for a long time and ppl who spot dodges a lot will get destoyed.

I like this move. I will abuse it in our brawl league and remain number 1.

Jski, the lucario didn't bother me. Right now I am just trying master this down b.

Metaknight is the best character ever with this move.

Riot. When I said that, I was basically saying its banned. Period. That includes in the league. This is basically as broken as Wobbling was, except Wobbling can be avoided by not being grabbed. All you'd have to do it hit the person once then stall the rest of the match. Its already been proven to be broken. Its banned.

WTF? You haven't even seen in a tourney. You can't ban something that's not proven to be broken. A move isn't game breaking until it breaks the game. Banning now is just bull. What's stopping someone from counter picking that dk stage with water?

People have been testing it. It works on EVERY stage, against EVERY character, and has NO counter. It doesn't need to be taken to a tournament to be tested and found broken. People have got it to work for 8 minutes straight which after a single jab is all thats needed to win the match.

Its an impossible to beat approach. There is no predicting when or where he's going to end up.

Its an impossible to beat stall. You can't hit whats invincible AND invisible.

You can't grab him out of it.

If he's practiced it, he not going to SD with it.

If we allow it, its going to be used for exactly the reason why its broken. You could use it to get behind someone, Tornado through them, then go right back into it with NO consequence. The method doesn't change the fact that its the first thing in Brawl that is found to be game breaking. People are going to use it if it remains legal, and the game will slowly degrade into being Meta Knight Vs. Meta Knight only. I'm sure thats exactly what you want now isn't it?

Looking cool isn't a valid reason to leave anything legal.

I bet TGM would agree with banning it as well.

Why not just ban metaknight all together then? That's the more logical choice. It's retarded to say, "hey, you can't use one of your legit moves".

You let other characters use their infinites like ddd's chain grab. You let ddd destroy characters with his grab.

You need to ban metaknight all together if you think his move is broken.

I'm not banning the move itself. I'm banning the extension of the invulnerability part move by use of the C-stick exploit. Wobbling was banned in Melee (Ice Climber tech), Peach Bomber and Jiggly Rising Pound stalls were limted, but the characters themselves weren't banned. Jigglypuff could damn near OHKO and was still legal.

Dedede's chaingrab is only an infinite on 5 characters, requires a wall to be an infinite on the rest (All of which with permanents I have banned aside from teams and optionals), and has some characters that aren't an infinite at all. Jab locks and Laser locks are far more troublesome then Dedede's chain grab. Chaingrabs conditional, Dimensional Cape extension, not so much.

99% of tournament organizers see no problem with Dedede's chaingrab. Yet they're damn near unanimous that this new tech of Meta Knights is game breaking and requires a ban.

I would ban Snake outright before I would even think of banning Meta Knight.

Think of it this way. Meta Knight Vs. Marth. You are Marth. Meta Knight F-tilts you one time, and only with the first hit. For the rest of the match he remains in dimensional cape, unable to be touched. You just lost because you took ONE hit. Tell me you see nothing at all wrong with that?

outside of stalling which is banned period, this move be countered be the stage. Outside of stalling, what purpose would the move have on a stage like battlefield where someone could camp on the top platform? Or the pokemon stage where the stage changes? On top of that you can't be close to someone when you do the move or you will be knocked out of it. Right now you are only banning it based on what you 'think' would happen, not by what's actually happening. It is not game breaking until it breaks the game.