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Are you jumping out because of the loss of free multiplayer?

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jayson1 on 11 June 2013

I rode the ps3 as long as I could/can with free online. The writing was on the wall and ps plus you get a lot of free games and value with that 5 bucks. So for me its a win win situation. I will not mind paying for multiplayer. Sony has given me years of free online so it's a minor issue at this point. PS Plus is definitely worth all the content you get!



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Adinnieken on 11 June 2013
SvennoJ said:
Adinnieken said:
michael_stutzer said:
 


It is because of clueless people who chose to buy 360 when it introduced paywall. If people stopped buying 360s when there was a free alternative, none of this would happen. Blame yourself.

I had a problem with paid multiplayer and still have. Stop with these stupid posts. Show me examples of people who said "I'll never pay for online, never." and now saying "paid multiplayer is great!".

You're a fool if you believe that.

Infrastructure costs money.  A LOT of money.  The costs to provide a service as big as and with the service level agreement that Xbox LIVE has is impossible without revenue and you can't get that through games.  Sony knows this.  That was the whole reason for offering PS+ in the first place, to create something people would subscribe to in order to generate revenue.

I've worked in a data center.  I know how much it costs to maintain thousands of servers, keep it cooled, and keep it powered.  I know the costs for bandwidth, which are not cheap.  All of this costs considerable money and if you don't think it does you're clueless.  If you think it can be made up in the sale of a game, you're clueless.  It isn't and it can't.  You have to have some substantial revenue in order to pay for it.

It's a bit of both really. People have started expecting more then simple p2p online play that Nintendo offers.
To stay competitive they need to keep up with Microsoft's infrastructure, and that costs a lot of money indeed.
Sony tried to pay for that by charging publishers bandwidth fees, and that led to less demos on psn.
Then online passes came about, nobody liked that.
ps+ was a good way to generate some revenue, but why get ps+ with a new system with no backlog. Any games put on ps+ the first year is going to cost a lot more then it has for ps3.

Steam online play is still free, yet they don't have the burden of R&D costs and subsidizing a console. Their cut on sales all goes to the infrastructure.
The WiiU is still free, I don't have experience with it other the Mii Plaza though. I don't have any multiplayer games for it yet.

It sucks, as it will lock me out of playing with friends that don't want to get ps+.
But I understand the money has to come from somewhere.

If it's a choice between 399 and paid online, or 499,- limited demos and online passes, then it's simple for me as I already enjoy the value of ps+. I do wish they would keep simple p2p online free, but I guess it's too much to ask from developers to put 2 forms of online play in each game.

What about $299 and $15 a mont for two years (Xbox One)?



Keele on 11 June 2013

michael_stutzer said:

Keele said:
What are you talking about? There are still two alternatives. The Wii U AND the PC. You're just trying to excuse why Sony is doing this. You're just trying to justify it.

You will pay for this like those Xbox 360 people paid for Xbox Live, and whether you believe it or not. Like it or not. You're just like them! You contribute to the entire issue.

He's not looking at it from a Microsoft perspective. You're looking at it from a Sony perspective. Sony shouldn't get a free pass when they pull this shit either.


Wii U is not an alternative. It doesn't have any games.

I already have a PC, it doesn't get a lot of the games, or gets them late.

I never said that I will buy it. I don't think I will buy it (probably wouldn't afford it even if I wanted to since it will launch here with a price equivalent of 600$ or so) and if I do that down the road you can bet that I will never try to justify this requirement, will buy the PS4 despite the requirement. Saying this as a person who is subbed to PS+ for years by the way, this doesn't affect me one bit.

When I criticised Live everyone was arguing me it is a great service etc. when in fact, it wasn't. At least PS+ is an indeed great service. It is very different, you get what you pay for and more.  Just pointing out the differences, not justifying it.


I think both of these are more than reasonable alternatives. They have their own exclusive stuff, they have a lot of the multiplatform games. And largely free multiplayer.

 

Yes, somehow this doesn't affect anyone one bit. Everybody suddenly happens to have PS Plus.

 

''It is because of clueless people who chose to buy 360 when it introduced paywall. If people stopped buying 360s when there was a free alternative, none of this would happen. Blame yourself.''

 

How can you expect him to blame himself for something that Sony does. And I think he has every right to point out the hypocrisy in this. You blame people like him and Microsoft for doing stuff. But when Sony does it you have no problem with that. And you contribute to it like them.

 

You can't say it's Microsoft's fault Sony does something. It's Sony's fault Sony does something. And you know, yeah he could have taken a stand against the Xbox 360. But you can still take a stand against the Ps4 right now. Each and every one of you. And guess what? Almost none of you will.

 

And that's why this is a joke.



michael_stutzer on 11 June 2013
Keele said:

I think both of these are more than reasonable alternatives. They have their own exclusive stuff, they have a lot of the multiplatform games. And largely free multiplayer.

 

Yes, somehow this doesn't affect anyone one bit. Everybody suddenly happens to have PS Plus.

 

''It is because of clueless people who chose to buy 360 when it introduced paywall. If people stopped buying 360s when there was a free alternative, none of this would happen. Blame yourself.''

 

How can you expect him to blame himself for something that Sony does. And I think he has every right to point out the hypocrisy in this. You blame people like him and Microsoft for doing stuff. But when Sony does it you have no problem with that. And you contribute to it like them.

 

You can't say it's Microsoft's fault Sony does something. It's Sony's fault Sony does something. And you know, yeah he could have taken a stand against the Xbox 360. But you can still take a stand against the Ps4 right now. Each and every one of you. And guess what? Almost none of you will.

 

And that's why this is a joke.

The number of games coming to Wii U in the next few years is less than the number of games I'll buy in that timeframe. It is not even an option. I have a PC and using it, it will be good for most of the next-gen. It has DRM all over it though, only reason I'm using it is the low prices.

I didn't even buy ps+. Sony was giving away one month subscriptions and  some Neogaf members had hundreds of them. I asked them nicely, some of them gave one code, some of them gave five etc. Some people are subbed to 2020.

I simply asked for the names and quotes of people who said that " paid multiplayer is terrible." and now saying " paid multiplayer is great.". That is the claim. Show me.

Aand, seriously where did I say that I have no problem with it? This is my first post: "I had a problem with paid multiplayer and still have.". Stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you. 



kupomogli on 11 June 2013

Plenty of people have already said this, but even if we don't agree with having to pay to play online, we're hypocrites because we like the features that PS+ offers and because we're already on it, it doesn't really affect us.

Every comment that is anti Sony in this thread is disregarding the fact that nearly everyone here has complained about having to pay, even a lot of those that have PS+. I think it's just a bunch of disgruntled fans from another certain console that feel the need to attack others. Xbox One lost. Deal with it.

If you want to spin it in such a way that makes it sound like your purchase is justified, you don't need to attack others. A simple, PS+ required to play multiplayer works. There, you're done. You've justified the fact that Xbox One has DRM and is $100 worth than the competition. Go have fun playing games and buy the console once it comes out.



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Keele on 11 June 2013
michael_stutzer said:
Keele said:

I think both of these are more than reasonable alternatives. They have their own exclusive stuff, they have a lot of the multiplatform games. And largely free multiplayer.

 

Yes, somehow this doesn't affect anyone one bit. Everybody suddenly happens to have PS Plus.

 

''It is because of clueless people who chose to buy 360 when it introduced paywall. If people stopped buying 360s when there was a free alternative, none of this would happen. Blame yourself.''

 

How can you expect him to blame himself for something that Sony does. And I think he has every right to point out the hypocrisy in this. You blame people like him and Microsoft for doing stuff. But when Sony does it you have no problem with that. And you contribute to it like them.

 

You can't say it's Microsoft's fault Sony does something. It's Sony's fault Sony does something. And you know, yeah he could have taken a stand against the Xbox 360. But you can still take a stand against the Ps4 right now. Each and every one of you. And guess what? Almost none of you will.

 

And that's why this is a joke.

The number of games coming to Wii U in the next few years is less than the number of games I'll buy in that timeframe. It is not even an option. I have a PC and using it, it will be good for most of the next-gen. It has DRM all over it though, only reason I'm using it is the low prices.

I didn't even buy ps+. Sony was giving away one month subscriptions and  some Neogaf members had hundreds of them. I asked them nicely, some of them gave one code, some of them gave five etc. Some people are subbed to 2020.

I simply asked for the names and quotes of people who said that " paid multiplayer is terrible." and now saying " paid multiplayer is great.". That is the claim. Show me.

Aand, seriously where did I say that I have no problem with it? This is my first post: "I had a problem with paid multiplayer and still have.". Stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you. 

I don't see why it's necessary for anybody with a decent PC to have to buy the new Ps4. A majority of the things the Ps4 can do, the PC can do but better.

The DRM issue is something that you can solve. It's not something I have to live with like paid multiplayer. It's at a MUCH lesser scale too.

Okay, when that runs out then you'll have to pay for it. And tell me? What will you do?

I don't care about the claim. I just find it ironic how flexible this situation happens to be.

The weight of your problem is defined by how you treat this situation. And attempting to pin the blame on Microsoft and trying to comform with Sony's usage of this shows how little you care about this.

You people seem to care more about sticking it to somebody than taking a stand for yourself.



Keele on 11 June 2013
kupomogli said:
Plenty of people have already said this, but even if we don't agree with having to pay to play online, we're hypocrites because we like the features that PS+ offers and because we're already on it, it doesn't really affect us.

Every comment that is anti Sony in this thread is disregarding the fact that nearly everyone here has complained about having to pay, even a lot of those that have PS+. I think it's just a bunch of disgruntled fans from another certain console that feel the need to attack others. Xbox One lost. Deal with it.

If you want to spin it in such a way that makes it sound like your purchase is justified, you don't need to attack others. A simple, PS+ required to play multiplayer works. There, you're done. You've justified the fact that Xbox One has DRM and is $100 worth than the competition. Go have fun playing games and buy the console once it comes out.

I agree that the Xbox One lost. I just don't understand how I skim from page to page and everybody is like ''wow, I'm okay with this''.

 

Like what? Are you serious?



Mummelmann on 11 June 2013

That's a slight kick in the balls for everyone who have been whining about Live for some years. All in all, it doesn't matter for me since I don't play consoles online at all but it is a bit funny from where I'm sitting.

Overall though, there's no doubt that the PS4 will be quite consumer friendly, how much this matters in the long run, only time will tell. I expect it will be a fairly big deal in Europe at least.



TheFallen on 11 June 2013

What choice does the consumer have? Pay 399 for a console with no DRM but paid for Online, or 499 with DRM and paid for Online and Always on.

Or get a WiiU , but since they have bad 3rd party support and get no DLC's that's out of the question.



michael_stutzer on 11 June 2013
Keele said:
michael_stutzer said:
The number of games coming to Wii U in the next few years is less than the number of games I'll buy in that timeframe. It is not even an option. I have a PC and using it, it will be good for most of the next-gen. It has DRM all over it though, only reason I'm using it is the low prices.

I didn't even buy ps+. Sony was giving away one month subscriptions and  some Neogaf members had hundreds of them. I asked them nicely, some of them gave one code, some of them gave five etc. Some people are subbed to 2020.

I simply asked for the names and quotes of people who said that " paid multiplayer is terrible." and now saying " paid multiplayer is great.". That is the claim. Show me.

Aand, seriously where did I say that I have no problem with it? This is my first post: "I had a problem with paid multiplayer and still have.". Stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you. 

I don't see why it's necessary for anybody with a decent PC to have to buy the new Ps4. A majority of the things the Ps4 can do, the PC can do but better.

The DRM issue is something that you can solve. It's not something I have to live with like paid multiplayer. It's at a MUCH lesser scale too.

Okay, when that runs out then you'll have to pay for it. And tell me? What will you do?

I don't care about the claim. I just find it ironic how flexible this situation happens to be.

The weight of your problem is defined by how you treat this situation. And attempting to pin the blame on Microsoft and trying to comform with Sony's usage of this shows how little you care about this.

You people seem to care more about sticking it to somebody than taking a stand for yourself.

I don't think you can buy The Last of Us, Uncharted, Littlebigplanet, Heavy Rain, Infamous etc. from Steam. As far as I know. Haven't checked retail. The rest I won't even bother with. Lesser scale compared to what? PS4 has no DRM. PS3 doesn't too. Steam is the definition of DRM.

Who are you to know what will I do by the way? You seem to think you know me better than myself. I can say random things about you too you know. For example you are a new member who surprisingly decides to post today. It doesn't seem suspicious and I don't think you are an alt account. At all.