Since your PS+ subscription carries over Vita, PS3 and PS4, it's absurd to think that it will cost more for the PS4. ¬_¬

You only need to have one subscription to PS+ to have access to its content on any PS device.

And yes, Tretton said "for less than $5 a month".

My suggestion there was that you'd at least pick-up PS+.  If so, I'm correct.  If not, you are correct.

My point is that Microsoft is including two things that you'd otherwise have to pay for on the PS4.

Did I say it didn't carry over or that it wouldn't work across other devices?

Nope.  As I followed up, $4.99 (59.99/12) would be less than $5.00.

If it carries over, why would you pay 4.17$ a month for it on the PS3, yet 5 for the PS4? ¬_¬

If what you're implying is that they'll jack up the price, then hurry up and go buy a year subscription or two right away. 

But that won't be necessary. Cause you're just blatantly wrong.

There's no point apparently, unless someone was choosing between buying the X1 or going back in time to 2006 and buying a PS3.

Sony isn't including the PS Eye because they know people don't want it.  No point is force bundling anything but the absolute necessary.

What's the second thing that's included for free on Xbox One?

Simple. Nintendo release their big titles (Mario 3D, Mario Kart, Zelda and Super Smash Bros.) + a possible price cut = Sales getting better.

Expensive consoles like Xbone and PS4 will get decent launches due to hardcore MS and Sony fans getting the console on day 1. Then, the sales will go down the same way PS3 and X360 did in their first years. The PS3 was selling near 50k/week and the X360 was selling near 75k/week at that time. Looking how the market is now in comparison with 2005-2006, I won't be too surprised to see Xbox one and PS4 selling in the 25k-50k/week range in their first year on the market.

Im not arguing against Nintendo dragging the Wii U out of the hole, because I genuinely think it will do well next Year with support and a price cut. What Im arguing against is the frankly ridiculous thought that the PS4 and Xbox One will be selling 25,000 units per week only a few months from launch.

The consumer is desperate for a new generation of hardware. These consoles will be supported, a lot, by 1st parties and 3rd parties. A console that costs $399 can still sell, as long as it has compelling content and the press is behind it. You need to remember why the PS3 sold like it did during the early years. It was because it was $600, far more expensive than the competition and had literally nothing good worth playing.

We know for a fact that the PS4 wont have this problem because its still relatively cheap and has support. The One Im not too sure on, because of the $499 price tag, despite good support.

The Wii U has been selling like it has, because software support for the machine has been non-existant from both Nintendo and 3rd parties. The PS4 and Xbox One wont have that problem.

Eventually a 12 month subscription ends.  If the prices was going up, then you'd have to renew at the higher price.

I was basing it on the slide and what was said during the presentation.  The fact that a media outlet needed to get it clarified means it wasn't as black and white as you're trying to imply.

One Year of Xbox LIVE is included for the "Day One" consoles.  However, every box thereafter will include a free Xbox LIVE subscription in it.