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Why is this regarded as console war ammunition and just not a general anti-consumer issue? Who gives a fuck what console is supporting it. Its bad for everybody and its designed solely to support the 3 or so dick head publishers who are already making more money than anybody else.



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As a Microsoft fan (and one of the approx. 15 people on the entirety of the internet willing to offer some defense of Microsoft's new policies) I would not be bashing Sony for destroying gaming if the positions were switched. As I've stated multiple times on VGChartz and elsewhere, there are REAL benefits (like the ability to continue playing your game even after your disc breaks) mixed in with the REAL restrictions in this new system. I'm content with the way gaming has worked in the current generation, but I am not opposed to the direction Microsoft is taking with the next one, and would not protest if it was Sony making these decisions instead. This is not to say that Microsoft doesn't have room to improve, of course (I'd like to see them extend the time between verifications, for one), and I genuinely hope that this negative backlash spurs Microsoft to find more ways to mitigate the negatives without sacrificing the positives.

You don't own the songs you buy on iTunes. You don't own the books you buy on Kindle. You don't own the games you buy on Steam. Yet between all these services there are hundreds of millions of people (including many of the people who are bashing the X1, I'm sure) who perfectly happy with what they are getting, despite the fact that they don't "own" their songs, books, or games. The idea that this would extend to console games is not that surprising, and if these other services can thrive with such restrictions, there is no reason that console games on either Sony or Microsoft platforms that adopt similar policies can't thrive as well.

I fully expect "you're a shill/lemming", "how much is Microsoft paying you", "you're destroying the gaming industry", "how could you betray your fellow man", "I pity you, you are pathetic" and similar kinds of responses, but I hope there are at least a few of you out there who are willing to understand how I can reasonably come to these conclusions and simply agree to disagree. Unfortunately, I'm about to go to work so I won't be able to respond to any replies for a while, sorry.



I own many Sony products, and basically it comes down to value for me. If the products don't give me what I want, and their company policies don't appeal to me, I don't buy their products or services. Just so you understand me better, I don't own a smartphone (I own a Ericsson W810i with internet turned off), and I'll never buy an Iphone. I don't do Facebook and other social medial sites. I like some level of privacy. Most of the younger generation embraces the social network without actually realizing how much of their identity they are giving up.

Nevertheless, I'm not going to try to change other people; that is not my job or responsibly, and frankly I don't care what others do unless it will hurt me or others. This DRM issue has a potential to do so, and so, I'm conflicted. The younger tech-savvy generation doesn't understand what the big deal is, and if that is the case, I rather not preach to them of their future sorrows. They will eventually know the consequences. What will I do? I will do the only thing the I can do. I can boycott a product/service it doesn't appeal to me. That's how I vote, with my purchasing power.

Now to the question: Would I buy a PS4 or any other Sony product if I didn't like the company practices? My answer is no. There is still a good deal of competition out there, I'm looking at Nintendo right now just in case Sony tries to underhand one over me, and I believe they still can. I don't put it past any company to change their policies because it no longer suits them, and so I would never defend bad actions of a company just because I like their products/services. It's not in my nature.

Another good reason to wait a year after launch to see which of these video consoles appeals to me.



I'm a Playstation fan, but If Xbox One had no DRM on the system level and PS4 did, then I'd get the Xbox One and not a PS4.



ListerOfSmeg said:
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If Sony did it I would be all for it, am sick and tired of owning my games it complicate things so much, having the option to resell, being forced to look at their resell value it's so freaking hard. Why own when you can rent for a long period of time."

Can always tell a Sony gamer.... LMAO.. You must not know you have never owned a game. Open the instruction manual and read the back of it on ANY game going back to the Atari 2600. You are buying the rights to play the game. It's always been that way regardless of what you think you may know. Companies never have and never will sell software. They sale a license to use that software. If they sold you the actual software you could do anything you wanted with it, even rewrite it and resale it.lol

Anywho, OT. Sony fans would be okay with it. Just like they were made about used games til Sony announced the exact same thing be left up to 3rd parties. Sony fans have not only done a complete 180 on used games now, they are actually making excuses for Sony. as if 3rd parties were forcing this on Sony and they unlike Nintendo had no choice but to accept it.
History has proven that Sony fans are always against something til its on their console then its beyond anything offered elsewhere.

Gamers have always owned the disc and the ability to do what they please with it.  Fine print on a manual is meaningless in this reguard.

Not 100% sure but I believe I read somewhere that its legal to create backups of games you have purchased.

Unlike what you think I will not support Sony if they have drm similar to Microsoft's.  They, like Microsoft, need to learn not to bite the hand that feeds them.


I don't understand people who would readily give up the right to buy/sell used games.  We've had that right for decades.  The days of being able to just pop a disk/cartrige in and play is gone and some seem to be fine with that, its kinda sad.



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If PS4 did it, that system would only be used for exclusives. Off to PC.



Nope i do not support DRM Period. There are games this generation i missed out on because of the heavy need for DRM implemented in them Such as Diablo 3 and SimCity, and sure they might be great games but i will Never purchase either of those games. So if Sony goes the same route as MS i'm done, and just move on with my life and Stick with PC's and maybe the WiiU, I really am hoping this goes away and we can just go on enjoying games like we have been.

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sth88 said:
As a Microsoft fan (and one of the approx. 15 people on the entirety of the internet willing to offer some defense of Microsoft's new policies) I would not be bashing Sony for destroying gaming if the positions were switched. As I've stated multiple times on VGChartz and elsewhere, there are REAL benefits (like the ability to continue playing your game even after your disc breaks) mixed in with the REAL restrictions in this new system. I'm content with the way gaming has worked in the current generation, but I am not opposed to the direction Microsoft is taking with the next one, and would not protest if it was Sony making these decisions instead. This is not to say that Microsoft doesn't have room to improve, of course (I'd like to see them extend the time between verifications, for one), and I genuinely hope that this negative backlash spurs Microsoft to find more ways to mitigate the negatives without sacrificing the positives.

You don't own the songs you buy on iTunes. You don't own the books you buy on Kindle. You don't own the games you buy on Steam. Yet between all these services there are hundreds of millions of people (including many of the people who are bashing the X1, I'm sure) who perfectly happy with what they are getting, despite the fact that they don't "own" their songs, books, or games. The idea that this would extend to console games is not that surprising, and if these other services can thrive with such restrictions, there is no reason that console games on either Sony or Microsoft platforms that adopt similar policies can't thrive as well.

I fully expect "you're a shill/lemming", "how much is Microsoft paying you", "you're destroying the gaming industry", "how could you betray your fellow man", "I pity you, you are pathetic" and similar kinds of responses, but I hope there are at least a few of you out there who are willing to understand how I can reasonably come to these conclusions and simply agree to disagree. Unfortunately, I'm about to go to work so I won't be able to respond to any replies for a while, sorry.

The price of song and books are significantly cheaper than a new game.  Also, you have the option to go out and buy a physical disc or book then lend/sell it as you please.  Last time I checked you don't have to go online to ask Apple permission to listen to a song or read a book.

People don't mind Steam because of the sales it offers (why would you need to resell a game you can get for less than 10$?).  Also, there are dozens if not hundreds of other sources you can buy digital games.  And many games don't come with drm.



mtu9356 said:

Question is directed at those defending the X1

If Sony's and Microsoft's positions were switched would Microsoft fans attack Sony's drm policies (the same way many gamers attack the drm on the X1)?

Also, in the same senario, would Sony fans defend and accept drm on the PS4?

 

To Microsoft Fans: Fight the good fight with us.  Fight for consumer rights.  We are headed down a road of no return and imo the future of consoles looks bleak.

All three companies currently use DRM on their existing consoles.  The question is not would one defend DRM or not, because we already exist in a world where there is DRM.  The question is, how restrictive should DRM be?







If MS and Sony switched I would buy a Wii U because I don't like paying to play online.