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Max King of the Wild said:
cannonballZ said:
http://kotaku.com/5972787/sony-patent-could-stop-you-from-playing-used-games-possibly-on-the-next-playstation

This kinda proves they actually DID think about it. Does not mean that they will actually implement it though. But if they did it would make sense. It does not need to go online for DRM

Patents are filed without intention of incorporating them into a product ALL the time... that actually doesn't prove such things.


But they filed a patent, it shows they thought about it. That's pretty good proof whether you want to believe or not. And if patents don't prove anything why are so many people adament that ps move was thought of before wii motes? 



reading this has made me relieved, but any final words will be at E3 tomorrow, so let's buckle up and wait!



VGKing said:
slowmo said:
I love how every negative XBO rumour must be true yet every negative Sony rumour must be false. How about instead of telling everyone to not comment on rumours you actually all practice what you preach. The PS4 will have DRM just like the 360 and PS3 do, the question will be how restrictive the policies are. I think some of you need to learn what DRM actually means.

Nope. PS4 can work fine without an internet connection. That's already been confirmed. So, no DRM. TRUTHFACT.

Whether or not publishers like EA will implement some sort of DRM on THEIR PS4 games, we don't know yet. It's all just specualtion at this point. We don't even have any rumors to discuss. 

Xbox One requires an internet connection for a reason. DRM is built into the system. Whether or not Microsoft did this themselves or publishers pushed for it doesn't matter. Microsoft went through with it so they are the ones being blamed and for good reason. We already know Sony won't follow MS. Patents aren't a good indication of anything as 99% fo them never get used.

You have no idea what DRM is, the rest of your post is meaningless and in no way related to my point.




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Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

The claim is the PS4 will have DRM.. not sure why you and some others instantly equate this to an attack on Sony and rush to the defense.

Because you are wrong...

1. Both Sony and MS are investing heavily in cloud based technology. Sony is pursuing the streaming option with Gaikai and MS is investing in cloud computing

2. DRM. Its coming to both consoles and a LOT of it.  MS will do this through mandatory installs and online authentication while Sony will use their watermarked disc trademark. According to Giantbomb Activision, EA, and Ubisoft are demanding it on both consoles and neither MS nor Sony will tell them no. Those publishers are far too large to simply ignore

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=161683&page=1#

BTW that took me a whole 2 seconds to find and I can find dozens more in the same time period

How is a watermarked disc DRM? You do know what DRM stands for right? Digital Rights Management. DRM requires an internet connection.
A watermarked disc would be nothing more then a piracy prevention-kind-of-thing. Could it be used in the same way as DRM? I guess it could server the same purpose but it wouldn't actually be called DRM. DRM is intrusive. A watermarked disc doesn't sound very intrusive from my point of view. I'd love to be proven wrong!

Think zombies vs the infected. They may look like zombies and may act like zombies, but they're not zombies!



slowmo said:
VGKing said:
slowmo said:
I love how every negative XBO rumour must be true yet every negative Sony rumour must be false. How about instead of telling everyone to not comment on rumours you actually all practice what you preach. The PS4 will have DRM just like the 360 and PS3 do, the question will be how restrictive the policies are. I think some of you need to learn what DRM actually means.

Nope. PS4 can work fine without an internet connection. That's already been confirmed. So, no DRM. TRUTHFACT.

Whether or not publishers like EA will implement some sort of DRM on THEIR PS4 games, we don't know yet. It's all just specualtion at this point. We don't even have any rumors to discuss. 

Xbox One requires an internet connection for a reason. DRM is built into the system. Whether or not Microsoft did this themselves or publishers pushed for it doesn't matter. Microsoft went through with it so they are the ones being blamed and for good reason. We already know Sony won't follow MS. Patents aren't a good indication of anything as 99% fo them never get used.

You have no idea what DRM is, the rest of your post is meaningless and in no way related to my point.

I know exactly what it is. To put it simply, a game needs to phone-home to the servers to make sure the game you are playing is legally downloaded. PS4 has already been confirmed to not require an internet connection. So it doesn't have DRM. That doesn't mean publishers can't implement DRM of their own on a game by game basis.(It's already possible on PS3/360) Most choose not to as it is intrusive and only punishes those who buy their stuff legally.

Xbox One sounds like it has DRM on a system-wide level. That's what the 24-hour authentication is for. 



VGKing said:

I know exactly what it is. To put it simply, a game needs to phone-home to the servers to make sure the game you are playing is legally downloaded. PS4 has already been confirmed to not require an internet connection. So it doesn't have DRM. That doesn't mean publishers can't implement DRM of their own on a game by game basis.(It's already possible on PS3/360) Most choose not to as it is intrusive and only punishes those who buy their stuff legally.

Xbox One sounds like it has DRM on a system-wide level. That's what the 24-hour authentication is for. 


You need to read what DRM is, the clue is in the title.  All current consoles have it.  The correct terminolgy would be to say the PS4 doesn't require online authentication for it's titles but it will still use some proprietary DRM.  I'm stating this because it's very important people don't forget that this is an evolution of already existing DRM that consoles/PC's have had for years. 

Using lazy terminolgy to describe what the XBO is doing devalues the fact that we are already using many different DRM restrictive practices at the moment. 

If you are against DRM then you should be complaining about all DRM not just certain portions of it.  If you are only against online authentication then you should be campaigning against that specifically.  The moment the PS4 was designed to not play unsigned code or to not play copied disks, it was using DRM just like the PS3 and 360.



slowmo said:
VGKing said:
 

I know exactly what it is. To put it simply, a game needs to phone-home to the servers to make sure the game you are playing is legally downloaded. PS4 has already been confirmed to not require an internet connection. So it doesn't have DRM. That doesn't mean publishers can't implement DRM of their own on a game by game basis.(It's already possible on PS3/360) Most choose not to as it is intrusive and only punishes those who buy their stuff legally.

Xbox One sounds like it has DRM on a system-wide level. That's what the 24-hour authentication is for. 


You need to read what DRM is, the clue is in the title.  All current consoles have it.  The correct terminolgy would be to say the PS4 doesn't require online authentication for it's titles but it will still use some proprietary DRM.  I'm stating this because it's very important people don't forget that this is an evolution of already existing DRM that consoles/PC's have had for years. 

Using lazy terminolgy to describe what the XBO is doing devalues the fact that we are already using many different DRM restrictive practices at the moment. 

If you are against DRM then you should be complaining about all DRM not just certain portions of it.  If you are only against online authentication then you should be campaigning against that specifically.  The moment the PS4 was designed to not play unsigned code or to not play copied disks, it was using DRM just like the PS3 and 360.

None of my PS3 games have DRM. None. They can all be played offline without an internet connection.(with the exception being online modes, obviously)



VGKing said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

The claim is the PS4 will have DRM.. not sure why you and some others instantly equate this to an attack on Sony and rush to the defense.

Because you are wrong...

1. Both Sony and MS are investing heavily in cloud based technology. Sony is pursuing the streaming option with Gaikai and MS is investing in cloud computing

2. DRM. Its coming to both consoles and a LOT of it.  MS will do this through mandatory installs and online authentication while Sony will use their watermarked disc trademark. According to Giantbomb Activision, EA, and Ubisoft are demanding it on both consoles and neither MS nor Sony will tell them no. Those publishers are far too large to simply ignore

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=161683&page=1#

BTW that took me a whole 2 seconds to find and I can find dozens more in the same time period

How is a watermarked disc DRM? You do know what DRM stands for right? Digital Rights Management. DRM requires an internet connection.
A watermarked disc would be nothing more then a piracy prevention-kind-of-thing. Could it be used in the same way as DRM? I guess it could server the same purpose but it wouldn't actually be called DRM. DRM is intrusive. A watermarked disc doesn't sound very intrusive from my point of view. I'd love to be proven wrong!

Think zombies vs the infected. They may look like zombies and may act like zombies, but they're not zombies!

@bolded- You trolling us right now? If we were on GAF I would say you were fishing for a tag.