antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that
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*sigh* I've been discussing this more with another poster, I've said more on the issue...
If your phone doesn't have internet then obviously it doesn't solve your problem, no need to make an extra point about that, it goes without saying.
If your phone does have internet, then I would guess you need mobile hotspots (which cost money) in order to connect your X1 through it. That would suck, but that's probably how it is.
Finally, If all you want to do is access the MS servers to authenticate the games, would data caps really be a problem? You just have to do it once a day and it only takes a minute. I imagine you'd run into data cap problems if you tried to play multiplayer through your phone's internet (which I'm not sure is possible), but would it really take that much data to just do a quick authentification check?
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Wouldn't you agree that it's a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?
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Your question is best rephrased so that it addresses the underlying debate: "Wouldn't you agree that requiring an internet connection is a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?" And my answer is no, I wouldn't, because having your game linked to your account means that you and your family members can access all your games and all your game data (save files and stuff you've unlocked in-game, that kind of thing) from any Xbox One in the world, regardless of whether or not you have the disc on hand, or even if the disc is broken and no longer works. Think about that: if for whatever reason your disc breaks (someone steps on it, or drops it, or uses it as a coaster, or whatever), you still have access to your game from any Xbox One. You don't need to go to the store and buy another copy. Those are REAL benefits.
Those benefits do come with some strings attached, though, as many people have already figured out, including the primary topic of this thread, which is the requirement to have an internet connection to prove that you still have the game, and aren't just passing it around to friends and letting everyone get a free copy of the game attached to their account. Is that a suitable tradeoff? Everyone will have a different answer for that. For me, it is. For most people who post on the internet, it seems that it is not, and I am not going to tell people that they don't have the right to make that decision. Everyone has their own gaming habits and their own internet connectivity situations, and for some people this simply is not going to be a viable console.
Going back specifically to phones, if an internet connection is going to be required, then there is no question that it is better to give the consumer more options on how to get that internet to their console. I'd rather have the option to use a smartphone if necessary, than only have the option to use wired/wifi.
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Whoa now spin master. I never said that Internet is the devil. I just said that it should not be forced on me when I can't connect... Or hell if I'm being froggy and don't want to connect, I don't know why that would happen but I want that option :P
Edit: also ill add this from a different argument: "Cmon dude... You are missing the point completely... It's not a constant steady connection... It's the issue of having a $500 device that becomes a brick if I did not connect to the Internet yesterday and my Internet is out for what ever reason...."
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Easy there! I'm not saying you think the internet is the devil, and if that was the impression you got, I'm sorry I wasn't being clear.
And your point here is valid. As I said, this is a tradeoff. There are real benefits to having your games linked to your account (like the ones I mentioned before), but you are absolutely right that there are real drawbacks as well. If you are adamant that you want to be able to play your games without an internet connection, either because you can't connect or don't want to, then the tradeoff is not for you, and the Xbox One is not your console. Plain and simple. And if too many people feel that way, then Microsoft will suffer because of it (and Sony will likely be the one to benefit the most).
I'm currently of the opinion that it is a good tradeoff for me. I rarely have problems with my internet connection, I have no intention of ever moving somewhere that does not have decent internet, I don't buy used games anymore, and I rarely ever borrow, lend, or rent games. So the restrictions that this system would put in place are ones that I feel I could easily abide by, and in exchange, I get benefits like having access to my game even if my disc breaks.
I can also look to Steam and see that this kind of system is perfectly viable, and tens of millions of people are perfectly happy with this kind of tradeoff. Steam games have DRM; they require an internet connection and cannot be sold or traded back and forth with friends. And yet despite those restrictions, Steam has a thriving community, larger than Xbox Live, with many loyal followers who buy their games exclusively on that platform despite having many other options on PC (like GOG, for example). Steam has found ways to provide benefits to its customers, such as great game sales, that help make up for the things that Steam gamers can't do. It's clear that if Microsoft plays their cards right (which is by no means a certainty, but is certainly a possibility) they can continue to have a thriving community despite the restrictions that their new ecosystem puts in place.
