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Jay520 on 07 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:


How intelligent.  You can mark out two words XD

I actually just refuted your assertion that people are complaining for no reason other than to complain...which didn't require much intelligence, honestly.



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Jaywood2010 on 07 June 2013
thismeintiel said:
JayWood2010 said:


Actually i have only had one person come forward and say that it truly does effect them.  Everybody else I assume is just complaining to complain because it doesn't effect them.  Instead they are playing the what if game.  So no, everybody has been making my points rather than saying it is a horrible comparison.  It isn't a comparison first off, rather just a little ironic situation i see.

While making this thread i expected the kind of responses that i recieved. What I don't expect is for people to come in here and say that it effects them(As I said, it probably effects less than 5% of the users on here). I know what I'm doing ;)

So, you're coming on an INTERNET wesite, wanting to see if people won't have the INTERNET?  Seems more like you can't take the criticism the Xbox One is getting and are reaching for straws.

I also love that Xbox One supporter's comments just basically come down to insulting other's ability to get online or just telling them to get better internet/phones.  So, basically #dealwithit.  Nice way to be compassionate about everyone else's financial and location problems. 


No, it just proves what I was saying.  I was just a little tired of people saying it is a comparison because it isnt.  Everybody who posted in this thread was able to actively get on the internet and the amount of time it took people to comment in this thread was about the time that the X1 needed to check in.  

And idk if im even getting an X1 yet so your also wrong on that part XD




       

sth88 on 07 June 2013
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.



My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that

*sigh*  I've been discussing this more with another poster, I've said more on the issue...

If your phone doesn't have internet then obviously it doesn't solve your problem, no need to make an extra point about that, it goes without saying.

If your phone does have internet, then I would guess you need mobile hotspots (which cost money) in order to connect your X1 through it.  That would suck, but that's probably how it is.

Finally, If all you want to do is access the MS servers to authenticate the games, would data caps really be a problem?  You just have to do it once a day and it only takes a minute.  I imagine you'd run into data cap problems if you tried to play multiplayer through your phone's internet (which I'm not sure is possible), but would it really take that much data to just do a quick authentification check?

Wouldn't you agree that it's a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?

Your question is best rephrased so that it addresses the underlying debate: "Wouldn't you agree that requiring an internet connection is a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?"  And my answer is no, I wouldn't, because having your game linked to your account means that you and your family members can access all your games and all your game data (save files and stuff you've unlocked in-game, that kind of thing) from any Xbox One in the world, regardless of whether or not you have the disc on hand, or even if the disc is broken and no longer works.  Think about that: if for whatever reason your disc breaks (someone steps on it, or drops it, or uses it as a coaster, or whatever), you still have access to your game from any Xbox One.  You don't need to go to the store and buy another copy.  Those are REAL benefits.

Those benefits do come with some strings attached, though, as many people have already figured out, including the primary topic of this thread, which is the requirement to have an internet connection to prove that you still have the game, and aren't just passing it around to friends and letting everyone get a free copy of the game attached to their account.  Is that a suitable tradeoff?  Everyone will have a different answer for that.  For me, it is.  For most people who post on the internet, it seems that it is not, and I am not going to tell people that they don't have the right to make that decision.  Everyone has their own gaming habits and their own internet connectivity situations, and for some people this simply is not going to be a viable console.

Going back specifically to phones, if an internet connection is going to be required, then there is no question that it is better to give the consumer more options on how to get that internet to their console.  I'd rather have the option to use a smartphone if necessary, than only have the option to use wired/wifi.



Subie_Greg on 07 June 2013

If you want to buy it then that's ok with me. Do you

But please stop telling us that the required internet connection is because of "Cloud Computing". That's just a lie lol. It's a check via interwebz once every 24 hours because of DRM. It's so you can't play a game loaned to you buy a friend. Not for the cloud. Just tell the truth and let it be what it is



Trunkin on 07 June 2013
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:

Ah, but you see I said it's one of the most restrictive, not the single most. You need either an internet connection or a PC with iTunes to put your music, movies, games, and apps on an iOS device. there's no other way around it. Hell, maybe you can change this, but in my experience, even if you're logged into your own account on a second PC, you must first format your iPhone before you're allowed to copy YOUR files from the new PC to your idevice. That's what I mean by restricted. You can access all of your files, but you have to do so in the way that Apple allows, and no other. I have no reason to believe that Xbox One will be any more open, but the nature of the device makes it somewhat more tolerable.

Your issue with Xbox One is it's requirement to have a consistantly steady internet connection, correct? Well, my problem with iOS is it's requirement for me to use iTunes, and it's inability to work as a standalone device. I have no issues going online once every 24 hours with a home console, as I do that every day. In the case of iOS, though, it's restrictive nature makes me unable to use it as a temporary replacement for my PC on short vacations, and whatnot. It's not an issue that everyone has, but neither is unsteady internet.

Cmon dude... You are missing the point completely... It's not a constant steady connection... It's the issue of having a $500 device that becomes a brick if I did not connect to the Internet yesterday and my Internet is out for what ever reason....

Ah. but you see, it doesn't become a brick. You can still watch TV and movies on it. Heh.

In all seriousness, though, that's only an issue if there's any chance that you're gonna lose your connection for 24 hours straight( or simply at a bad time). For me, there's basically no chance of that, so I'm good. It may be a slight inconvenience if I have to connect the XBOne to a Mi-fi or smartphone at any point in time, but besides that, I'm not bothered by it, and many others wont be as well. If that's an issue for you, then you can take your money to Sony or Nintendo as M$ apparently didn't make this console for you. It's not the end of the world.



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Hynad on 07 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Hynad said:
Talal said:
Oh JayWood, you really make it hard for people to get along with you. xD

There are so many points showing how your analogy fails, but I can't be bothered to write them. Besides, other members will probably do that.


He makes it very hard to believe his claims that he isn't heavily biased toward MS, that's for sure.  The length he's going to defend anything from them...

Dont you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over?  lol  It's like you have a mission to tell people about hidden agendas lol  Ifind it amusing XD

As long as you'll keep pretending while being this obvious, I will.



Jaywood2010 on 07 June 2013
Hynad said:
JayWood2010 said:
Hynad said:
Talal said:
Oh JayWood, you really make it hard for people to get along with you. xD

There are so many points showing how your analogy fails, but I can't be bothered to write them. Besides, other members will probably do that.


He makes it very hard to believe his claims that he isn't heavily biased toward MS, that's for sure.  The length he's going to defend anything from them...

Dont you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over?  lol  It's like you have a mission to tell people about hidden agendas lol  Ifind it amusing XD

As long as you'll keep pretending while being this obvious, I will.

EDIT:  (Apparently wrong choice of words in bad timing) That is ok XD Follow me then haha It's cute how much I have got into your head lol




       

antfromtashkent on 07 June 2013
sth88 said:
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
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My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that

*sigh*  I've been discussing this more with another poster, I've said more on the issue...

If your phone doesn't have internet then obviously it doesn't solve your problem, no need to make an extra point about that, it goes without saying.

If your phone does have internet, then I would guess you need mobile hotspots (which cost money) in order to connect your X1 through it.  That would suck, but that's probably how it is.

Finally, If all you want to do is access the MS servers to authenticate the games, would data caps really be a problem?  You just have to do it once a day and it only takes a minute.  I imagine you'd run into data cap problems if you tried to play multiplayer through your phone's internet (which I'm not sure is possible), but would it really take that much data to just do a quick authentification check?

Wouldn't you agree that it's a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?

Your question is best rephrased so that it addresses the underlying debate: "Wouldn't you agree that requiring an internet connection is a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?"  And my answer is no, I wouldn't, because having your game linked to your account means that you and your family members can access all your games and all your game data (save files and stuff you've unlocked in-game, that kind of thing) from any Xbox One in the world, regardless of whether or not you have the disc on hand, or even if the disc is broken and no longer works.  Think about that: if for whatever reason your disc breaks (someone steps on it, or drops it, or uses it as a coaster, or whatever), you still have access to your game from any Xbox One.  You don't need to go to the store and buy another copy.  Those are REAL benefits.

Those benefits do come with some strings attached, though, as many people have already figured out, including the primary topic of this thread, which is the requirement to have an internet connection to prove that you still have the game, and aren't just passing it around to friends and letting everyone get a free copy of the game attached to their account.  Is that a suitable tradeoff?  Everyone will have a different answer for that.  For me, it is.  For most people who post on the internet, it seems that it is not, and I am not going to tell people that they don't have the right to make that decision.  Everyone has their own gaming habits and their own internet connectivity situations, and for some people this simply is not going to be a viable console.

Going back specifically to phones, if an internet connection is going to be required, then there is no question that it is better to give the consumer more options on how to get that internet to their console.  I'd rather have the option to use a smartphone if necessary, than only have the option to use wired/wifi.


Whoa now spin master. I never said that Internet is the devil. I just said that it should not be forced on me when I can't connect... Or hell if I'm being froggy and don't want to connect, I don't know why that would happen but I want that option :P

 

Edit: also ill add this from a different argument: "Cmon dude... You are missing the point completely... It's not a constant steady connection... It's the issue of having a $500 device that becomes a brick if I did not connect to the Internet yesterday and my Internet is out for what ever reason...."



Hynad on 07 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Hynad said:

JayWood2010 said:

Dont you ever get tired of saying the same thing over and over?  lol  It's like you have a mission to tell people about hidden agendas lol  Ifind it amusing XD

As long as you'll keep pretending while being this obvious, I will.

I get it, you like following people. That is ok XD Follow me then haha It's cute how much I have got into your head lol

You really think too highly of yourself. You know this VGC "home" feature called Forum Hot Topics? Yeah... I don't need to follow you around to see those apologetics filled threads of yours.



thismeintiel on 07 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:
thismeintiel said:
JayWood2010 said:


Actually i have only had one person come forward and say that it truly does effect them.  Everybody else I assume is just complaining to complain because it doesn't effect them.  Instead they are playing the what if game.  So no, everybody has been making my points rather than saying it is a horrible comparison.  It isn't a comparison first off, rather just a little ironic situation i see.

While making this thread i expected the kind of responses that i recieved. What I don't expect is for people to come in here and say that it effects them(As I said, it probably effects less than 5% of the users on here). I know what I'm doing ;)

So, you're coming on an INTERNET wesite, wanting to see if people won't have the INTERNET?  Seems more like you can't take the criticism the Xbox One is getting and are reaching for straws.

I also love that Xbox One supporter's comments just basically come down to insulting other's ability to get online or just telling them to get better internet/phones.  So, basically #dealwithit.  Nice way to be compassionate about everyone else's financial and location problems. 


No, it just proves what I was saying.  I was just a little tired of people saying it is a comparison because it isnt.  Everybody who posted in this thread was able to actively get on the internet and the amount of time it took people to comment in this thread was about the time that the X1 needed to check in.  

And idk if im even getting an X1 yet so your also wrong on that part XD

If you don't think you made a comparison in the OP, I suggest you check the dictionary.  And quite honestly, I think you do have your mind made up, already.  Otherwise, you wouldn't be defending such a ridiculous policy.