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disolitude on 06 June 2013
MoHasanie said:
disolitude said:

While I know this is not ideal and may be considered jumping through hoops... your smartpphone should have a "internet sharing" feature and this internet would be based off 4G and LTE towers which hopefully have reception where you live.

So essentially when the internet does go down for more than 24 hours...which really shouldn't happen more than once every 6 months to a year in 2013...you can enable wifi sharing on smartphone and connect your xbox to verify?

Again, not saying this should be standard procedure, just something people can do in case of internet outage emergency for a long peroid of time.

But it is so inconvenient to do that. Plus, I have a limited data plan so this isn't a great solution. And, just switching on the 4G on my phone eats up 10% of the battery in 15min. I just don't support a console that needs to be online once a day. The Xbox One will just have to be a console I will buy in 5 years to play Halo 5 and 6 but that's it.

I don't think you will have to do this for more than 2 minutes with your phone. Enable wifi sharing on phone, connect xbox to internet, verify, done. New 24 hour cycle begins. Shouldn't eat your data or waste battery...

I think its a viable solution for the times internet goes down for more than 24 hours when youre gaming

The reason why it needs to be online once per day is because Microsoft most likely doesn't want you to share your games with friends and family console and then go offline with that console and play the single player games like that while you trade them in or sell them. Steam on the PC doesn't have to deal with this as it doesn't have game resale or sharing...



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Homeroids on 06 June 2013

It sounds a bit complex. What defines "family and friends"? Does that mean up to 10 XBOX Live accounts to the one single physical console? Are they sub-accounts to the main account?

The practicality of going over a friends, logging into their XBone, downloading 9gb, then play, and then you leave? Your friend can play this on the XBone once you leave IF they login as you, and you are not logged in at home? Or are they counted as a "family and friend'.

If you have 2 XBone's at home can you play concurrently?



MonstaMack on 06 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Blood_Tears said:
Nsanity said:

I can't see myself picking up an Xbox One at launch or ever..


I am not sure if your being serious or not...but in the off chance you are serious, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Their first party games will most likely draw you in if your a fan, even with the DRM stuff.

For me personally I'm waiting on what there JRPG stuff will be like before I commit to anything. I bought a 360 for Lost Odyssey and I would pick up an X1 for LO2 in a heartbeat.  


Exactly. Even if you're a fan of the exclusives you will most likely buy the console, but because of the DRM people will be very, very picky with what they play so they buy because $60 isnt cheap.

I doubt games hold their value this high especially without the used market. See Steam deals. Ok, maybe the first year or two the system is out because the libary will be presumably limited.

 



It's just that simple.

J_Allard on 06 June 2013
superchunk said:
disolitude said:

I do understand the used games case you are describing and that does make the Xbox less appealing to someone that is able to buy and resell a game at a 5-10 dollar loss. At the same time I understand why Microsoft doesn't want that, and franky doesn't care if you buy their console.

I also see why they want people with internet to buy it. Its clear that Microsoft wants to push their services more than sell games at this point. Just look at the Xbox One...Xbox, Kinect, Skype, Windows, Bing, IE, Skydrive, Azure...all present in one form or another. Xbox is like Microsoft All Stars 2013...lol. While Microsoft is most likely aware that some people will skip their console because of lack of internet...I am pretty sure they calculated that the value of pushing their other services will make up for that, and then some.

I don't know what I will say down the road about this...but for now I just want to be entertained and I don't see anything wrong with Xbox One. If Xbox One has good games, I will buy it. If it any point down the road, it becomes untolerable with its DRM policies, I will get rid of it and game somewher else.

I don't see anything wrong with this way of thinking.

Because by accepting it now you are empowering them to take the next step.

What's actually ironic about this, if they had come out and stated it would be a digital only console... I wouldn't be complaining at all, in fact many of those policies are improvements over current digital content.

I've stated it before and I like digital only solutions. But to me the taking away of freedom to handle your disc, physical media, purchases in any form you wish, is what's at the center of my anger.

If you're all for an all-digital platform then use the Xbone as an all-digital platform. The link says games will be day one digital and retail.



smroadkill15 on 06 June 2013

I'm still indifferent on the whole thing. For me personally none of this is an issue, but I can definitely see how this could be annoying for some gamers. I'm going to wait till E3 before I make a decision. I have a feeling Sony will do the same thing with the Ps4, and if Sony does I'll just go with Xbox. If Sony doesn't then chances of me picking up a Ps4 definitely increases.

I'm not buying any console at launch, so my thoughts could change. I may just be done with gaming, and ride out my 360 until it dies.



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disolitude on 06 June 2013
Carl2291 said:
disolitude said:

Whoever thinks that 77.5 million xboxs are out there and none of them include duplicate consoles per person/account...especially after the first gen consoles were pretty much wiped out by RROD and a slim redesign...needs to bo back to common sense and logic university.

I have 3 Xbox 360s but only 1 gold account.

Anyone who thinks that there wont be multiple Live accounts on a single console also needs to go back to common sense and logic university. My 360 has 4 accounts. The 360 downstairs has 5 accounts. You can add Live accounts on other platforms, too. Live isnt exclusive to Xbox 360.

There will be more than or close to 30 Million 360 consoles out there that arent on the Internet. That dont have Live.

They are alienating a large portion of the 360 userbase here. You cant argue against that no matter how much you want to.

On another note, someone made an advert -

People need to know.


I have the same profile on Windows 8, Xbox 360 and windows phone. Why would I create extra ones and pay for gold or keep them as sliver? I guess if you have a sibling or something...but fair enough, maybe there is some merit in saying multiple live accounts are found on some consoles.

They are alinating some people for sure. But it looks like they are trying to attract others with cable and TV bundling. In general its clear microsoft wants to push its products and services with the Xbox and most of their products and services need internet.

Lets see where it all nets out...



superchunk on 06 June 2013
J_Allard said:

If you're all for an all-digital platform then use the Xbone as an all-digital platform. The link says games will be day one digital and retail.

Can't support something that destroys ownership of physical items.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
MonstaMack said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Exactly. Even if you're a fan of the exclusives you will most likely buy the console, but because of the DRM people will be very, very picky with what they play so they buy because $60 isnt cheap.

I doubt games hold their value this high especially without the used market. See Steam deals. Ok, maybe the first year or two the system is out because the libary will be presumably limited.

 


If Someone owns all consoles the PS4 will most likely be the multiplatform console this gen especially if since the PS4 has the edge over MS as its been reported. Halo is a system seller, but what MS is doing will cost them even the gamers who dont value exclusives which the 360 majorly had. You're right though without used games as i said before purchases will be limited.



Zappykins on 06 June 2013
superchunk said:

Honestly your loyalty to MS after this pisses me off. I'm probably going to get banned for this rant but its a bunch of bullshit and you're being an idiot to accept such a destruction of your rights to ownership.

Its not about being always online and you won't get it anywhere... just places with broadband internet.

Its about owning what you buy and being able to do with it as you see fit. These policies lead to you not owning anythign ever. You only own it as long as MS decides to support the service or the specific game.

The current status quo where that type of draconian policy was already deliberately held in distinction between owning the physical media or digital copy. While still not a best case scenario, at least you had a choice. Now that choice is gone and and instead you own nothing.

I sincerely hope you are in the minority so this policy dies with the Xbone. Hopefully Sony sees the potetial differentiation it can create between its product and stays clear of anything like this.

 

Moderated - Kresnik.

superchunk - don't get yourself banned!  You are fun valuble member of this site.  (But you do need to get an E3 party hat!)

I hear your frustration, but I think it is the way many things are going.  Remember the Ipod?  You have to buy your music, and lose or break it?  You might have to buy it again. 

Or think of an app on your phone.  You lose the phone, you have to buy the app again. 

In some ways, this isn't all bad - as your games follow your gamertag around.  A buddy of mine LOVES Castle Crashers - I don't have it, but if he logs into my Xbox 360 - we can play it together. 

As we move into the information age - the data is what is important - and the changes in social structure are more towards we get the right to access the information, not own it. Remember when Amazon deleted books off people’s Kindel’s remotely? You even see this in things like Turbo Tax or Quicken where you only get a few licenses.  You can’t hire someone to dress as a Disney Character for your kids party – unless they have a license from Disney.

Yea, it kinda sucks in many was, but it will also prevent some theft – and more money will go back to the developers.  Thus more money to make games, more games.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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MoHasanie on 06 June 2013
disolitude said:

I don't think you will have to do this for more than 2 minutes with your phone. Enable wifi sharing on phone, connect xbox to internet, verify, done. New 24 hour cycle begins. Shouldn't eat your data or waste battery...

I think its a viable solution for the times internet goes down for more than 24 hours when youre gaming

The reason why it needs to be online once per day is because Microsoft most likely doesn't want you to share your games with friends and family console and then go offline with that console and play the single player games like that while you trade them in or sell them. Steam on the PC doesn't have to deal with this as it doesn't have game resale or sharing...


I appreciate your effort in trying to convince me that the online once a day thing isn't bad, but I just can't accept a console that is so restrictive. 



    

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