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Veknoid_Outcast on 06 June 2013
crissindahouse said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I really don't want to pile on the Microsoft fans here. As a Vita and Wii U owner, I know how frustrating all the doom and gloom can be.

But there's no way to spin this news into a positive. At best it's an inconvenience. At worst it's a huge slap to the face of consumers, property rights, and the millions of people who don't have a steady internet connection, or no internet connection at all.

there is a way to "spin it"

my console is always online with or without the need for it and i don't rent games. so, nothing of that interests me but now, my brothers who live hundreds of kilometers away can buy an xbox for themselve or their kids and play all the games i bought. and we can play online against each other with only one bought copy.

sounds like a great possibility for me or not?

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. It could be like the old Xbox Live family plan for all we know. And Microsoft didn't say if that service would be free or not.

In any event, even with such a service the One isn't worth it, at least not to me. I sincerely hope you and your family enjoy it, but I just can't support a machine that adopts so many anti-consumer measures.



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sth88 on 06 June 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I really don't want to pile on the Microsoft fans here. As a Vita and Wii U owner, I know how frustrating all the doom and gloom can be.

But there's no way to spin this news into a positive. At best it's an inconvenience. At worst it's a huge slap to the face of consumers, property rights, and the millions of people who don't have a steady internet connection, or no internet connection at all.


This news IS positive for some, myself included.  I won't be able to lend, borrow, or rent X1 games...but I almost never do that anyway.  I won't be able to play without a semi-consistent internet connection...but I do have a stable internet connection, and anytime I move I'm going to make sure I continue to have one, because I will want it for more than just online gaming; also, I have no desire to set up a console in some offline location like a cabin in the woods or something like that.

In exchange, I get the ability to access all my games and all the progress I have made on them from any Xbox One anywhere, and I won't even need to carry a disc with me.  That's pretty cool.

For those that do not have an internet connection that can be relied upon to be up at least once a day, or for those who aren't willing to give up the ability to rent/borrow/lend games, I'm sorry.  I'm not going to tell you not to be upset; this is a tradeoff, and for some it's going to be a dealbreaker.  Microsoft will have to #dealwith the consequences of that; how grave the consequences truly are, is still up in the air.

But for me, this is acceptable, and I look forward to seeing more Xbox One games at E3.

At the very least, if there's one thing I think we can all agree on, it's great that we FINALLY have some real answers.



LiquorandGunFun on 06 June 2013

Im out. Fuck M$. im not even going to watch the e3 presentation. i will use gamefly with my ps4.



 

S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
Carl2291 said:
Another point to note is that theyre essentially saying "Fuck you!" to over 30 Million Xbox 360 owners?

46 Million Live members. This includes Silver and Gold over numerous platforms.

77.5 Million 360's sold.

At least 30 Million people have never connected the console to the net and joined Live, right? Or am I mistaken here?


Some of those thirty million chose not to sign up for Xbox Live by choice. Thats another issue of anti-consumerism MS has to deal with. It just keeps growing from gen to gen.



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
LiquorandGunFun said:
Im out. Fuck M$. im not even going to watch the e3 presentation. i will use gamefly with my ps4.


Keep an open mind to MS as a gamer, but know ahead of time if they do have good games that they better be worth it when you purchase them, thats all.



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disolitude on 06 June 2013
superchunk said:
disolitude said:


I don't want to "own" games so I could shove them up my ass and then show my friends how far it can go. I want to "own" games to play games to be entertained...

What part of "owning" and "playing" for the sake of entertainment is not possible with this online DRM model? Absolutely none.

You guys may argue that Microsoft may stop supporing the console down the line and cut off service to playing these games. If they decide to do that (which I find quite doubtful for at least 20 years after console launch) there is absolutely no reason why they won't just disable DRM for the console at that point and let you play without the online verification. DRM is just software that can be adjusted any time...

Xbox One also fully supports external storage and should give you the opportunity to back up all of your games, in case a game is pulled off Xbox Live for one reason or another.

While I agree that there are people out there that this console is absolutely not geared for, it works for me.  I understand if people with lack of internet availabilty complain...

But what I see around here is a lot of people that can easily enjoy this console and make it work, but who are are just looking to add extra meaning to their life by making a completely meaningless stand for a completely BS cause. Rights for gamers!  I have internet and can buy games and now can share them with family and friends, but yeah fight the power... Or just usual people bashing Microsoft for everything they can. Not sure where you belong...both?

Where does it say "share with family and friends".

You can login to your own device and people on that device can also play it. ( no changes to basic disc or digital rights now)

You can login to a friends xbone and play it at their house. ( no changes to takign disc to their house now, but adds new feature to digital ownership)

But you cannot give them your live account and let them play it while you play it at home. (no changes to now)

So, you're gaining nothing.  But you're losing ownership and real value in used markets if that option will even be available to per the publisher.

Basically, there is far more risk and cost and no new value.

Again, I'm not talking about losing power or internet etc, I could care less about that. While I don't think its great for the many millions of gamers without great internet, that's not my problem. That is just bad business, not a dramatic change in ownership rights.

Sorry family member sharing only...

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games.  You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

In terms of ownership and losing value, games have the worst depriciation of any product out there. Within a month usually you lose half of the value. Within a year you'd be happy to get 5 bucks for 80% of the games out there. Its definetly not an investment you should consider for any other purpose other than entertainment.  

I see a slew of potentials here with this family thing that will save me and my friends lots of money. but even if it falls through, so be it, I may not buy as much. All I know is that I have ~50 bucks every week dedicated to gaming, most of which end up sitting and rotting in me Steam library or on a bookshelf. 

This Xbox One absolutely changes nothing for me.



MoHasanie on 06 June 2013

hmmm, what a terrible decision by the fools at Microsoft to make it online once every 24 hours. That is so dumb. So if I lose my internet for a few days then I guess I won't even be able to play games.
The used game policy sounds a bit better but still dumb. And I bet Xbox Live will still be the same for $60. I hope the Xbox 1 fails so that MS can realize how bad their decisions were.
The PS4 is looking better and better everyday and that is with no effort from Sony. I'm hoping the PS4 doesn't have an online once a day thing though, cause if it does then I will happily buy the WiIU.



    

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disolitude on 06 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
Another point to note is that theyre essentially saying "Fuck you!" to over 30 Million Xbox 360 owners?

46 Million Live members. This includes Silver and Gold over numerous platforms.

77.5 Million 360's sold.

At least 30 Million people have never connected the console to the net and joined Live, right? Or am I mistaken here?


Some of those thirty million chose not to sign up for Xbox Live by choice. Thats another issue of anti-consumerism MS has to deal with. It just keeps growing from gen to gen.


Whoever thinks that 77.5 million xboxs are out there and none of them include duplicate consoles per person/account...especially after the first gen consoles were pretty much wiped out by RROD and a slim redesign...needs to bo back to common sense and logic university.

I have 3 Xbox 360s but only 1 gold account.



disolitude on 06 June 2013
MoHasanie said:
hmmm, what a terrible decision by the fools at Microsoft to make it online once every 24 hours. That is so dumb. So if I lose my internet for a few days then I guess I won't even be able to play games.

Do you own a smartphone? Yes or no...



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 June 2013
disolitude said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Carl2291 said:
Another point to note is that theyre essentially saying "Fuck you!" to over 30 Million Xbox 360 owners?

46 Million Live members. This includes Silver and Gold over numerous platforms.

77.5 Million 360's sold.

At least 30 Million people have never connected the console to the net and joined Live, right? Or am I mistaken here?


Some of those thirty million chose not to sign up for Xbox Live by choice. Thats another issue of anti-consumerism MS has to deal with. It just keeps growing from gen to gen.


Whoever thinks that 77.5 million xboxs are out there and none of them include duplicate consoles per person/account...especially after the first gen consoles were pretty much wiped out by RROD and a slim redesign...needs to bo back to common sense and logic university.

I have 3 Xbox 360s but only 1 gold account.


True. RROD was a huge issue.