Osc89 said:
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Does it matter? If it works it works.
Osc89 said:
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Does it matter? If it works it works.
disolitude said:
Correct but this really wouldn't be the challenging aspect for something like this... Windows 8 already has the ability to search Netflix outside of Netflix library. Swipe from right to bring charms, select search, type movie title, and tap netflix. You are not searching netflix through netflix but through Win 8 universal search. |
That tap of Netflix is you opening the app and searching for what you typed. If you just search the title it doesn't have any results outside of the app.
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Adinnieken said:
So to you a feature beyond the basic set of features that you ask for aren't an added value. Gotcha. |
That is not how it goes at all.
Microsoft is trying to shove all devices on the living room in one. The problem here is they arent especially pleasing for either the gamers or the set top box TV folks. Why? Because they are beeing forced to pay extra for features that dont interest them.
What microsoft doesnt get is that this isnt unifying both kinds of customers, its only appealing to the ones that want both. That is the only perspective where this product is a valuable deal. For gamers or for customers that just want a set up box this is uncessary and overpriced product and they are beeing charged for something that isnt what they want. Isnt it logical that under those circunstances you would choose to go for the device that does what you want?
In comparison this is like selling a TV to whoever buys a fridge. They are both home appliances. Is there value in getting these in one. Yes if you need them both. But if you only need a fridge or if you only need a TV, its not a good offer its an overpriced one.
The prime example of this is the Vita. Does it have loads of extra features? Yes. Do customers care? No, they still choose to get the 3DS instead for the most part.
Of course, from the gamers point of view this is a completely silly argument. Removing games and game features from the equation was obviously the mistake microsoft made. We cant just pretend that theres great value and its the right choice when both consoles cost the same and we ignore everything else they offer on their core functions (wich isnt the same).
The only way this would work would be if the Xbox had free online, used games, quality exclusives, rechargeable battery, portable integration and all the things that the PS4 has and still cost the same or less.
Osc89 said:
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You're correct. My bad... So yeah, an API would have to be built for Xbox One to connect to external app database. Shouldn't be a big technical challenge or a policy concern in my opinion. This could benefit all content providers as they could get their content discovered much easier and even push their subscription to users that may not have it... If you don't have netflix, but discover it has the content you want and you can get a subscription right then and there....money in the bag baby. :)
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disolitude said:
You're correct. My bad... So yeah, an API would have to be built for Xbox One to connect to external app database. Shouldn't be a big technical challenge or a policy concern in my opinion. This could benefit all content providers as they could get their content discovered much easier and even push their subscription to users that may not have it... If you don't have netflix, but discover it has the content you want and you can get a subscription right then and there....money in the bag baby. :)
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Well it's cool you're optimistic, and it will be a nice feature. It's just they generally don't love this kind of thing, as they want you in their app searching and picking another movie if they don't have the one you want, not signing up to multiple services. Google TV had the search across mulitple services, but a lot of it was pulled because they didn't make the deals beforehand.
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Nem said:
That is not how it goes at all. Microsoft is trying to shove all devices on the living room in one. The problem here is they arent especially pleasing for either the gamers or the set top box TV folks. Why? Because they are beeing forced to pay extra for features that dont interest them. What microsoft doesnt get is that this isnt unifying both kinds of customers, its only appealing to the ones that want both. That is the only perspective where this product is a valuable deal. For gamers or for customers that just want a set up box this is uncessary and overpriced product and they are beeing charged for something that isnt what they want. Isnt it logical that under those circunstances you would choose to go for the device that does what you want? In comparison this is like selling a TV to whoever buys a fridge. They are both home appliances. Is there value in getting these in one. Yes if you need them both. But if you only need a fridge or if you only need a TV, its not a good offer its an overpriced one. The prime example of this is the Vita. Does it have loads of extra features? Yes. Do customers care? No, they still choose to get the 3DS instead for the most part. Of course, from the gamers point of view this is a completely silly argument. Removing games and game features from the equasion was obviously the mistake microsoft made. We cant just pretend that theres great value and its the right choice when both consoles cost the same and we ignore everything else they offer on their core functions (wich isnt the same). |
I'm sorry, I guess with all my years in selling consumer electronics I forgot what that customers don't appreciate added value.
Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be the device that you access your media content with, not to be the company that provides all your content. The Xbox One programming Guide is a layer, that layer happens to also interact with your existing cable/satellite service. Xbox One and the NUI provide an intuitive means of accessing all the content from your TV service, streaming services, digital content, and physical content (Blu-Ray Drive). Rather than have 50 apps where you go to view content, you simply need to use the Xbox One's NUI to access it all.
Otherwise what happens when there are 100 apps on Xbox LIVE? What happens when there are 1000? Having lots of apps even with the Xbox One's metro interface won't make accessing that many apps easier. Microsoft had to figure out a way to make it easier to access content. The Guide and the NUI were the way to do so.
To quote Game of Thrones, "You know nothing." You have your own personal views, you have these incredible assumptions, and you have some pretty tremendous wild guesses about what consumers want, but I'm actually guessing that you don't really engage a wide range of electronic consumers. Your worldview is the tip of a pin. Which is fine, there is honestly nothing wrong with that. If you're simply describing your personal opinion. The problem here is you're attempting to express your beliefs on a wide array of consumers, and that doesn't work.
The average consumer wants "The World Of Tomorrow" experience. We are inticed on a daily basis to buy the latest and greatest. That isn't a selling point because of good marketing, it is a selling point because we as people want something better than what everyone else has.
Will the programming Guide be a feature that sells everyone on the console? No. Will it be a primary feature for the average video game console buyer? No. Microsoft probably doesn't want that feature to be the reason for those consumers to buy the Xbox One. There are other features that will serve to entice them but the programming Guide is a feature that people will buy the console for. I doubt it will be the primary reason, but it will be a reason in a multitude of reasons to buy it.
You're doing a good job at attempting to slip-stream another topic into the conversation, that's twice now, but it isn't going to happen. We're playing baseball, I hope you know the rules.
| Adinnieken said: Why? The way you watch TV now would/could still be the same way you watch TV with the Xbox One. The only difference is that Xbox One will provide whatever existing service you have with voice and motion controls. So, you can be watching TV on one channel and switch to another just by saying it. In addition though, it'll offer you suggestions based on what everyone else is currently watching. So if everyone is watching Game of Thrones, then it may suggest you watch it. With Xbox One you'll have access to your console with SmartGlass, but your TV services that you're already subscribed to would still be accessed via the existing apps you already have. |
Why would I want that? I don't have a problem with using a remote. It's not going to speed things up by saying 'xbox channel 535', waiting for Kinect to recognize it, then xbox one feeding that into my cable box with the infrared blaster.
Plus it can't switch my amplifier between tv audio settings and game/cinema dsp settings. It's all set up fine now switching between inputs with the amp, plugging tv through the xbox one would negate that.
Neiher am I interested in recommendations based on what others are watching, with the dvr at over 90% full all the time I really don't need more.
I tried out Nintendo tvii when it was up and running, but didn't really see the point of that either. Yeah I can have the guide in my lap now, but since it can't program my dvr it's only a distraction while watching something. No different then having the guide on the tv with the program playing in the corner. And now my kids have figured out how to use the gamepad as a remote, annoying buggers :)
I don't see the advantage of an extra layer on top of an already working existing solution. When I'm watching something I'm not interested in all the fluff. When someone else is watching something I can walk the 5 steps to my laptop and do everything.
Btw voice recognition works quite fine already, that's what marriage is for. Jk.
I wouldn't mind some universal split screen solution. 4K tv that can put up to 4 different sources on screen with directional audio zones. Or even better instead of splitscreen, with glassless 3D tech send different programs to different zones.
| Adinnieken said: I'm sorry, I guess with all my years in selling consumer electronics I forgot what that customers don't appreciate added value. Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be the device that you access your media content with, not to be the company that provides all your content. The Xbox One programming Guide is a layer, that layer happens to also interact with your existing cable/satellite service. Xbox One and the NUI provide an intuitive means of accessing all the content from your TV service, streaming services, digital content, and physical content (Blu-Ray Drive). Rather than have 50 apps where you go to view content, you simply need to use the Xbox One's NUI to access it all. |
You really are unpleasent to talk to. For the intelligence you claim to have you seem unable to make a post without some sort of insult in it.
Its not my fault that you want to somehow have a partial view of the situation so your points seem valid. I explained everything clearly on my post. I'm not gonna bother when you're going in circles.
Nice nod to Agatha Christie (or I think it is)
will the Xbox One be called "One Little N**er" ? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None