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Adinnieken said:
Nem said:

A purchase is not a one-dimensional decision process. If i remove those factors the Xbox one will have more TV features, but then it wouldnt be a games console i was buying now would it? And the fact that these will probably require a gold subscription seems very relevant, since you would have to pay an additional fee to have acess to all these features.

I just cant see how the Xbox one would have better value because of these features, unless it wasnt a games console or if you were planning to buy a set up box anyways.

So to you a feature beyond the basic set of features that you ask for aren't an added value.  Gotcha.

So from your perspective, every gaming console should be the Yugo of consoles?  Don't add features and value beyond meeting the basic needs that gamers want or ask for.   

 

That is not how it goes at all.

Microsoft is trying to shove all devices on the living room in one. The problem here is they arent especially pleasing for either the gamers or the set top box TV folks. Why? Because they are beeing forced to pay extra for features that dont interest them.

What microsoft doesnt get is that this isnt unifying both kinds of customers, its only appealing to the ones that want both. That is the only perspective where this product is a valuable deal. For gamers or for customers that just want a set up box this is uncessary and overpriced product and they are beeing charged for something that isnt what they want. Isnt it logical that under those circunstances you would choose to go for the device that does what you want?

In comparison this is like selling a TV to whoever buys a fridge. They are both home appliances. Is there value in getting these in one. Yes if you need them both. But if you only need a fridge or if you only need a TV, its not a good offer its an overpriced one.

The prime example of this is the Vita. Does it have loads of extra features? Yes. Do customers care? No, they still choose to get the 3DS instead for the most part.

Of course, from the gamers point of view this is a completely silly argument. Removing games and game features from the equation was obviously the mistake microsoft made. We cant just pretend that theres great value and its the right choice when both consoles cost the same and we ignore everything else they offer on their core functions (wich isnt the same).

The only way this would work would be if the Xbox had free online, used games, quality exclusives, rechargeable battery, portable integration and all the things that the PS4 has and still cost the same or less.