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Nem said:
Adinnieken said:

So to you a feature beyond the basic set of features that you ask for aren't an added value.  Gotcha.

So from your perspective, every gaming console should be the Yugo of consoles?  Don't add features and value beyond meeting the basic needs that gamers want or ask for.   

 That is not how it goes at all.

Microsoft is trying to shove all devices on the living room in one. The problem here is they arent especially pleasing for either the gamers or the set top box TV folks. Why? Because they are beeing forced to pay extra for features that dont interest them.

What microsoft doesnt get is that this isnt unifying both kinds of customers, its only appealing to the ones that want both. That is the only perspective where this product is a valuable deal. For gamers or for customers that just want a set up box this is uncessary and overpriced product and they are beeing charged for something that isnt what they want. Isnt it logical that under those circunstances you would choose to go for the device that does what you want?

In comparison this is like selling a TV to whoever buys a fridge. They are both home appliances. Is there value in getting these in one. Yes if you need them both. But if you only need a fridge or if you only need a TV, its not a good offer its an overpriced one.

The prime example of this is the Vita. Does it have loads of extra features? Yes. Do customers care? No, they still choose to get the 3DS instead for the most part.

Of course, from the gamers point of view this is a completely silly argument. Removing games and game features from the equasion was obviously the mistake microsoft made. We cant just pretend that theres great value and its the right choice when both consoles cost the same and we ignore everything else they offer on their core functions (wich isnt the same).

I'm sorry, I guess with all my years in selling consumer electronics I forgot what that customers don't appreciate added value.

Microsoft wants the Xbox One to be the device that you access your media content with, not to be the company that provides all your content.  The Xbox One programming Guide is a layer, that layer happens to also interact with your existing cable/satellite service.  Xbox One and the NUI provide an intuitive means of accessing all the content from your TV service, streaming services, digital content, and physical content (Blu-Ray Drive).  Rather than have 50 apps where you go to view content, you simply need to use the Xbox One's NUI to access it all. 

Otherwise what happens when there are 100 apps on Xbox LIVE?  What happens when there are 1000?  Having lots of apps even with the Xbox One's metro interface won't make accessing that many apps easier.  Microsoft had to figure out a way to make it easier to access content.  The Guide and the NUI were the way to do so.    

To quote Game of Thrones, "You know nothing."  You have your own personal views, you have these incredible assumptions, and you have some pretty tremendous wild guesses about what consumers want, but I'm actually guessing that you don't really engage a wide range of electronic consumers.  Your worldview is the tip of a pin.  Which is fine, there is honestly nothing wrong with that.  If you're simply describing your personal opinion.  The problem here is you're attempting to express your beliefs on a wide array of consumers, and that doesn't work.

The average consumer wants "The World Of Tomorrow" experience.  We are inticed on a daily basis to buy the latest and greatest.  That isn't a selling point because of good marketing, it is a selling point because we as people want something better than what everyone else has.

Will the programming Guide be a feature that sells everyone on the console?  No.  Will it be a primary feature for the average video game console buyer?  No.   Microsoft probably doesn't want that feature to be the reason for those consumers to buy the Xbox One.  There are other features that will serve to entice them but the programming Guide is a feature that people will buy the console for.  I doubt it will be the primary reason, but it will be a reason in a multitude of reasons to buy it.

You're doing a good job at attempting to slip-stream another topic into the conversation, that's twice now, but it isn't going to happen.  We're playing baseball, I hope you know the rules.